COVID Vaccine !

[fossyant]

When we're all 'back' at work (fortunately work saying stay as you are at the moment -we've got to think this through) we will have the three camps, jabbed, non-jabbers, and clinically vulnerable (jabbed or not).

I do hope the non-jabbers don't ask for special treatment (classing non-jabbers as those that can, but won't). The real test will be what do we do with the clinically vulnerable as we've got to look after them as much as possible, and I no doubt there are quite a few in the workforce, especially an ageing one.

Bloody nightmare for employers. The difficulty will also be managing attitudes of jabbed to working with non-jabbers, and vise versa. We've a particular Department where there are a number of non-jabbers (linked to the type of 'specialism' they teach and it's not a 'health one'). Sort of person you don't start a debate with !

 

[DCLane]

My work's still figuring that one out, with us not back on-site until September. The message at the moment appears to be that we'll be on-site for some delivery, remote for others, and to only be on-site if we're teaching face-to-face. However, that could all change at a moment's notice.

 

[mjr]

Bloody nightmare for employers.

Employers, retailers, shoppers, workers, ... actually, pretty much everyone except government which is giving up and going home, so I'm not sure you needed a qualifier there!

 

[KnittyNorah]

I agree with all you wrote, but I would point out that -to the best of my knowledge- there never was a widespread effort to convince people to refuse the smallpox vaccine.

No - which is why I said that fifty years ago the world was a very different place - but there were certainly localised, and very effective, anti-vax campaigns in several places - and it is against some of these that actions - some of which might be described merely unorthodox, and some highly illegal and unethical, and others of all degrees between - were taken, both with and without the knowledge and/or connivance of local and national authorities.

 

[Punkawallah]

You ever had that treatment?

A few years ago it was the in thing for treatment for siezures. Six years ago it was removal of the hippocampus for the same condition.

I was a part of administering it. Still, lessons learned, eh?

At the time 'consent' was an interesting word. Anyway, no names, no pack drill.

 

[Deleted User]

Employers, retailers, shoppers, workers, ... actually, pretty much everyone except government which is giving up and going home, so I'm not sure you needed a qualifier there!

Or people who haven't stopped going to work throughout, no change whatsoever for me.
Building trade, drivers, prison staff etc.
Not everyone is stuck indoors you know or work from home

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Aren't there plenty of viruses that we either don't have lasting herd immunity to or keep evolving to reinfect us, depending on how you view them?

Fair enough.

The point I was trying to make is that the only way we'll get over the initial stage of this pandemic is through a high level of immunity, which will prevent huge spikes emerging.

We do have the luxury of being able to choose the balance of infection and vaccinating acquired immunity in that.

Longer term, whether through waning immunity, seasonality, new variants or birth of non- immune infants, there may well be an endemic waxing and waning infection.

Again, we can choose whether to accept that or minimise it, and there are different ways to go about that.

 

[mjr]

Or people who haven't stopped going to work throughout, no change whatsoever for me.

No change whatsoever? So you're not going to bin your mask, or whatever it was you posted earlier? Yippee!

Not everyone is stuck indoors you know or work from home

I don't know why you repeatedly direct that daft comment at me. I've not been stuck indoors. I've been volunteering to deliver stuff to those who were shielding, amongst other things. I still think it's a stupid unnecessary risk to bet everything on vaccination and then surrender now. Not everyone who's been out and about minds taking small measures like covering our faces, queuing with space between us and shoot like that. After all, many cyclists cover much of their faces at least half the year anyway!

 

[Andy in Germany]

I heard an announcement today: People fully vaccinated in our state will have the normal C-19 restrictions restricted from September except for having to wear a mask.

 

[Solocle]

Bugger

1st dose was 4 weeks ago

 

[Ajax Bay]

We're going to get there, insularly, by a combo of immunity by vaccination and post-infection. The modelling released yesterday shows that, with trajectories showing considerable uncertainty. England's daily cases exponential index has dropped a fair bit, he says optimistically (Edit: till today's figure came in!)

 

[Ajax Bay]

Why is the daily rate of vaccination so low? Is this a lack of demand or lack of supply or a lack of delivery means?
What is the uptake percentage in under 30s?

 

[classic33]

I was a part of administering it. Still, lessons learned, eh?

At the time 'consent' was an interesting word. Anyway, no names, no pack drill.

I don't think many were learnt, even when consent should have been given.

What I don't want to see is a similar situation where "treatment" is given when the patient is unable to give consent. Purely and simply because it might help, and forget any long term damage when the "treatment" didn't work.

 

[Punkawallah]

Preaching to the choir, Brother :-)

Can you say ‘thalidomide’, ‘factor eight’, ‘maternity services’, ‘care in the community’? We have short/selective memories, it seems :-)

 

[Andy in Germany]

I don't think many were learnt, even when consent should have been given.

What I don't want to see is a similar situation where "treatment" is given when the patient is unable to give consent. Purely and simply because it might help, and forget any long term damage when the "treatment" didn't work.

This is why we had to be very, very careful dealing with clients at the Workshop for People with disabilities. Fortunately anyone who is considered incapable of making the decision has a guardian and their decision is (literally) law, so all we had to do was inform people and get it in writing.

To my surprise we only had one refusal from a legal guardian, who we think is an anti vaxxer. Even after we'd gone through the process, all patients were asked again by the doc before getting a shot.