COVID Vaccine !

[nickyboy]

Lucky

By the same token, perhaps the government can be considered "unlucky" regarding the decisions it has taken regarding timing and strength of lockdowns?

That was another complex situation that the government got wrong and was rightly castigated for getting it wrong. Would it not be unreasonable to give the government credit for, when faced with another complex situation, it got it right?

 

[srw]

By the same token, perhaps the government can be considered "unlucky" regarding the decisions it has taken regarding

No.

There was plenty of evidence about lockdown when the decisions failed to be taken.

When the vaccine contracts were signed there was zero evidence whether they would work.

 

[midlife]

Why do you think that? I thought current advice was not to mix?

Beggars and choosers springs to mind. There are ongoing studies about mixing and matching but not heard of any results.

 

[nickyboy]

No.

There was plenty of evidence about lockdown when the decisions failed to be taken.

When the vaccine contracts were signed there was zero evidence whether they would work.

OK, so you regard the UK vaccination procurement policy success thus far to be a matter of luck. I do not

I'm willing to assess the government's performance objectively - hence my criticism of their lockdown decisions (or lack of them) and my recognition of good performance thus far on vaccinations. It is a pity that others can only assess the government's performance through the myopia of their own political persuasions.

 

[Ajax Bay]

As @midlife knows:
Green Book Ch 14a
"There is no evidence on the interchangeability of the COVID-19 vaccines although studies are underway. Therefore, every effort should be made to determine which vaccine the individual received and to complete with the same vaccine. For individuals who started the schedule and who attend for vaccination at a site where the same vaccine is not available, or if the first product received is unknown, it is reasonable to offer one dose of the locally available product to complete the schedule. This option is preferred if the individual is likely to be at immediate high risk or is considered unlikely to attend again. In these circumstances, as both the vaccines are based on the spike protein, it is likely the second dose will help to boost the response to the first dose."

DHSC announced on 4 Feb that it has launched a clinical trial on ‘alternating’ vaccine doses, but was said to be a "13 month" trial.
JvT said last week: "Given the inevitable challenges of immunising large numbers of the population against Covid-19 and potential global supply constraints, there are definite advantages to having data that could support a more flexible immunisation programme . . . It is also even possible that by combining vaccines, the immune response could be enhanced . . . unless this is evaluated in a clinical trial we just won’t know."

 

[Pale Rider]

Does anyone know why Israel's and the Emirates' vaccine rollout puts even the UK in the slow lane?

Table in this story.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56009251

 

[Craig the cyclist]

Lucky

When something goes awry, even if it's not their fault, they are a shambles. When something goes well they are lucky.

I guess you didn't vote conservative?

 

[AuroraSaab]

Does anyone know why Israel's and the Emirates' vaccine rollout puts even the UK in the slow lane?

Table in this story.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56009251

Not sure about UAE but I understand Israel already have the infrastructure and systems in place to do mass vaccinations. I suppose our health service is set up to do individual jabs through school and GP's, records kept locally etc., whereas they are already set up for the centralised 'come to the carpark on Saturday' mass inoculation model.

They ordered early too (June), paying top dollar. Small population helps too I guess, plus lots of multi generational households mean you won't miss out people.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.me...llout-in-israel-successes-lessons-and-caveats

 

[lane]

Not sure about UAE but I understand Israel already have the infrastructure and systems in place to do mass vaccinations. I suppose our health service is set up to do individual jabs through school and GP's, whereas they are already set up for the 'come to the carpark on Saturday' mass inoculation model.

Yes but we are told it is the vaccine supply that is the limiting factor not infrastructure. Some how these other countries have sufficient to vaccinate their populations more quickly

 

[srw]

When something goes awry, even if it's not their fault, they are a shambles. When something goes well they are lucky.

I guess you didn't vote conservative?

See above.

No.

There was plenty of evidence about lockdown when the decisions failed to be taken.

When the vaccine contracts were signed there was zero evidence whether they would work.

There is an awful lot of good luck in the fact that the vaccine strategy Britain has followed has worked. That's not to denigrate the skill of those involved - bit the risks they took have paid off. That doesn't always happen.

On the other hand just about everything else about the government's response to the virus has been a complete shambles.

 

[johnblack]

Does anyone know why Israel's and the Emirates' vaccine rollout puts even the UK in the slow lane?

Table in this story.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56009251

I thought Israel were also supply Pfizer with an amount of patient data, plus paying extra, to get to the head of the queue.

 

[srw]

Both Israel and UAE are quite small countries, and both have quite authoritarian cultures. You wouldn't know it from the reporting here, but the EU has now collectively given more doses than the UK and more than any other vaccine dosing regime except for China and the US.

https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-vacci...a&areas=eue&cumulative=1&populationAdjusted=1

 

[midlife]

Both Israel and UAE are quite small countries, and both have quite authoritarian cultures. You wouldn't know it from the reporting here, but the EU has now collectively given more doses than the UK and more than any other vaccine dosing regime except for China and the US.

https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-vacci...a&areas=eue&cumulative=1&populationAdjusted=1

But that has to be divvied up between 440 odd million people in the EU. Vaccinations per 100,000 is a better measure?

 

[Pale Rider]

Both Israel and UAE are quite small countries, and both have quite authoritarian cultures. You wouldn't know it from the reporting here, but the EU has now collectively given more doses than the UK and more than any other vaccine dosing regime except for China and the US.

https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-vacci...a&areas=eue&cumulative=1&populationAdjusted=1

All the EU countries are still miles behind the UK.

That 27 nations have a higher aggregate than our four nations will no doubt be a great comfort to all those unvaccinated Europhiles.

 

[srw]

But that has to be divvied up between 440 odd million people in the EU. Vaccinations per 100,000 is a better measure?

It's a different measure. The rhetoric in the UK is that the EU has completely failed to get people vaccinated - so I was surprised to discover that it has actually done more than the UK. As I've said before, it's not a sprint, it's a marathon, and nobody will be safe until everyone is safe.