COVID Vaccine !

[SpokeyDokey]

Your glasses are curiously rose-tinted. Here is the government's own chart of recent weeks.
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Bear in mind that the number of vaccine centres has consistently grown through this period, which should really have resulted in more jabs. This last week we actually gave out fewer doses than the previous week, and not many more than the week before that.

I've said it before - this isn't a sprint, it's a marathon. One day's success is irrelevant if the month isn't very good. Success in vaccinating the UK population is meaningless for as long as there are other countries which are less protected than we are. It's a global pandemic. The whole world needs protection for humanity to be safe.

I can't see why you would say 'curiously rose tinted' when we have managed (to 28th Jan) to administer 8 369 438 doses (inc' first and second) which I think is good going especially when comparing against other nations.

Very definitely seems like a good effort to me.

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

I don't think the EU wants a vaccine war at all. Whilst I still think there is room for criticism, and I remain no fan of von der Leyen, it is not unreasonable for the EU to want AZ to deliver on the amounts in the contract. The reduction announced was enormous.

It sure sounds like it, out of all options they have they choose one of the most heaviest one, and one of the most damaging ones for the EU that is.
Yes it is a very big reduction, but then again, it's not like the eu is prepared or something, i mean even the most pro-eu news outlets say that the whole eu vaccine programme is shambles.. And also because of this export ban they now dragged pfizer into this and the uk, while it was EU vs AZ.. so well done EU.. Guess all those people on the Icu's because of the vaccine shambles are very proud their country is part of the eu.
Ironcally the whole thing was organised as a response to Trump last year trying to buy up all the pfizer vaccine stock for the us. They apperently stop deliveries to the uk now which is quite random, because it's not only AZ but also pfizer and about every other vaccine producer, except for the Russians but the EMA has'nt approved them yet..

If any member state isn't ready to start vaccination, this is the fault of the state and not the EU. Some aspects of this have not been German bureaucracy's finest hour, but the main problem since the beginning and for the next few weeks is lack of vaccine, not failing infrastructure. Also hampered by difficulties getting names of elderly people to contact due to data protection provisions.

That's one of the reasons why in my opinion the eu does'nt work, if the eu messes up it's the fault of the slow-responding member states if the member states messes up they just blame the eu. it's a circle

In last night's TV discussion of this there was some admiration for Britain in getting on with it, qualified by the fact Johnson took calculated risk in not waiting for full authorisation as the EU did, and is under pressure to have some success following a dismal last year, which in turn revealed a healthcare system ailing under years of Tory administration.

To be honest, as far as i have seen in the past year Germany is the only country in Europe with an working healthcare system and the deaths in Belgium in the Netherlands and many other parts of europe where much higher if it weren't for the fact that Germany could take patients in. So yes our wellfare was so good in the past years across europe they we seemed to have forgotten that you need qualified doctors, equipment etc. at the ready for if the unexcepted happens.

I think the calculated risk started at pre-ordering not one but 5 vaccines but yes bypassing the slow eu did help. But the whole vaccine EU fiasco sounds more like outrage because they failed again then anything else, just like the need for medical ventilators was overhyped last year because the biggest issue is you need trained medical professionals to come along with it.(sure there was a need for those ventilators but it just not thwe whole story)

 

[tom73]

Some PCN are seeing people due to getting multiple offers of vaccination apartments. Are starting to shop around to see what vaccine is on offer at different centres. So they can have one they think is best what's wrong with these people they are taking appointments away from others and wasting staff time or worse leading to doses being wasted. What's wrong with these people ? it's not a big game.

 

[Julia9054]

Some PCN are seeing people due to getting multiple offers of vaccination apartments. Are starting to shop around to see what vaccine is on offer at different centres. So they can have one they think is best what's wrong with these people they are taking appointments away from others and wasting staff time or worse leading to doses being wasted. What's wrong with these people ? it's not a big game.

The question is why are they getting multiple appointments? That’s not their fault. If I got more than one appointment I’d have to make a choice too. I’d consider timing, convenience and look into which vaccine is offered too.

 

[C R]

I have been wondering since yesterday evening if there's some kind of stupidity conservation law, and as Trump is removed from the political scene someone needed to move to replace the stupidity deficit, with von der Leyen filling the gap,

 

[midlife]

From another site but the redacted text of the AZ /EU contract is visible in the bookmarks view of the. Pdf. I guess someone is in hot water..

 

[BoldonLad]

Some PCN are seeing people due to getting multiple offers of vaccination apartments. Are starting to shop around to see what vaccine is on offer at different centres. So they can have one they think is best what's wrong with these people they are taking appointments away from others and wasting staff time or worse leading to doses being wasted. What's wrong with these people ? it's not a big game.

Surely the problem is, People getting multiple offers?

If a person gets multiple offers, unless they choose to have multiple jabs, they must, by definition, decline/waste all but one offer. The rationale they choose to make the decision as to which offer to take, (ie distance, time, vaccine choice or whatever), is of no consequence, surely?

 

[C R]

The register had it yesterday. This kind of problem is well known with pdfs. I suspect the accident may not have been completely accidental.

 

[tom73]

The question is why are they getting multiple appointments? That’s not their fault. If I got more than one appointment I’d have to make a choice too. I’d consider timing, convenience and look into which vaccine is offered too.

Because this is what happens when you control it from the top down and set up a new system that bypasses one that is already working and has been for years. It's the new T&T mess all over again. Locally ran bottom up as with all vaccine programs works bypass it and you get into a mess. Neither is it ones still waiting fault either to run full steam ahead when you've not even got though the ones at the start. Or wasting staff time and appointments when others really need them. Note the figures are not broken down into every one in the top 3. The health worker figures won't look good many are still waiting with no idea of how long. Even the % figures trotted out are national average. Not actual national one.

Until we have buckets load of the stuff and ones who are really at risk are all done and fully covered. We don't have the luxury of shopping round for the ones you fancy. If one vaccine is deemed not suitable for a person that's a clinical matter for them to talk over with a HCP. Equally if someone is unsure about them and what's some advice to allow them to feel ok about it. Then that again is what they can speak to a HCP about, It's not a lifestyle one. Time and location is very much a different thing and not the same.

 

[lane]

Some PCN are seeing people due to getting multiple offers of vaccination apartments. Are starting to shop around to see what vaccine is on offer at different centres. So they can have one they think is best what's wrong with these people they are taking appointments away from others and wasting staff time or worse leading to doses being wasted. What's wrong with these people ? it's not a big game.

My mum HAD to do that because she went for the Pfizer vaccine at Grantham and was told she could not have it. She then got booked into Boston for Oxford one, then for some reason was transferred to Grantham; she took the trouble to check with Grantham and was told that they were only doing Pfizer so was transferred back to Boston. For reasons I don't understand she is back at Grantham in about an hour for the Oxford so hope that works out OK.

 

[tom73]

My mum HAD to do that because she went for the Pfizer vaccine at Grantham and was told she could not have it. She then got booked into Boston for Oxford one, then for some reason was transferred to Grantham; she took the trouble to check with Grantham and was told that they were only doing Pfizer so was transferred back to Boston. For reasons I don't understand she is back at Grantham in about an hour for the Oxford so hope that works out OK.

That's a choice based on a clinical matter. Not shopping round for the one you want purely based a personal view.
I believe the advice has been updated now more is known about them. They are ok unless have a known allergy to the listed ingredients.

 

[lane]

That's a choice based on a clinical matter. Not shopping round for the one you want purely based a personal view.
I believe the advice has been updated now more is known about them. They are ok unless have a known allergy to the listed ingredients.

That updated advice was in existence at the time - hence Mum was told to go for the Pfizer vaccine; however for some reason they still refused to let her have it. She has a peanut allergy so was not a reason for her not to have it.

 

[tom73]

That updated advice was in existence at the time - hence Mum was told to go for the Pfizer vaccine; however for some reason they still refused to let her have it. She has a peanut allergy so was not a reason for her not to have it.

Right must be more to do with information not feeding down the chain as you say that's not on the list.

 

[mjr]

In context:

View: https://mobile.twitter.com/Trump_ton/status/1355440057310736385


Who is pushing the story?

View: https://mobile.twitter.com/Trump_ton/status/1355449737550376960

 

[Julia9054]

Because this is what happens when you control it from the top down and set up a new system that bypasses one that is already working and has been for years. It's the new T&T mess all over again. Locally ran bottom up as with all vaccine programs works bypass it and you get into a mess. Neither is it ones still waiting fault either to run full steam ahead when you've not even got though the ones at the start. Or wasting staff time and appointments when others really need them. Note the figures are not broken down into every one in the top 3. The health worker figures won't look good many are still waiting with no idea of how long. Even the % figures trotted out are national average. Not actual national one.

Until we have buckets load of the stuff and ones who are really at risk are all done and fully covered. We don't have the luxury of shopping round for the ones you fancy. If one vaccine is deemed not suitable for a person that's a clinical matter for them to talk over with a HCP. Equally if someone is unsure about them and what's some advice to allow them to feel ok about it. Then that again is what they can speak to a HCP about, It's not a lifestyle one. Time and location is very much a different thing and not the same.

I still maintain that if you are sent two appointments a person is going to pick any criteria they want to decide which appointment to keep. If both appointments are equally convenient, why wouldn‘t you use what you have read about the different vaccines to differentiate? As long as they cancel the appointment they are not going to keep, it’s not wasting anything - the spare appointment is just given to the next on the list.
Sorting out an inefficient system that sends out two appointments in the first place is what needs sorting and is not down to the individual.