Coros Cycling Computer - Game changer?
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Regular.Cyclist
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The biggest beta test is to release a device to the general public and have them pay for the privilege. Unfortunately this doesn’t just happen in sales to the general public.
I have a meeting later this week to discuss a major player n the infusion device market being suspended from selling their products in Scotland. Their devices are causing dangers to patient safety and certainly weren’t, and still aren’t, ready for release.
StuAff
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Interested. I really like my eTrex 30x, apart from one (rather large) flaw. It can't do TBT navigation properly. From tracks, not at all- even though Edges do so perfectly. Try to navigate a track and it puts half a ton of **** on screen so you can't actually see it, and it won't give you the turn info, only via routes. Set a track(s) to show on map and no **** on screen, but you're on your own for navigation- this does work OK for the most part, but you have to pay attention. Routes are a pain because of the restrictions on data. Load up a track for navigation in advance (say if you're doing an audax but riding to the start) and it'll try and route you to the end from wherever you are, rather than following the track.....And Garmin chose to hobble it- there's no reason why it should do all this, except them being awkward. So, I'm waiting for something Much Better At Navigation From Someone Else. When Coros have got the issues fixed (and it will be when, sooner rather than later), this will be a compelling alternative to Garmin and competitors. And anything that encourages Garmin, HH, Wahoo, Bryton et al to improve their offerings is a very good thing.
Regular.Cyclist
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One thing COROS seem to do differently is to actually have a member of their staff actively engage with users on their official Facebook page.
As you can imagine there is a lot of talk about the Dura over there. Feedback has been
“We plan on continuing to improve DURA with frequent firmware releases, as we do with all of our watches.
When DURA ships to customers on July 15, we will already have updated the firmware from the early version demonstrated by many of the media outlets today, to a new version that addresses many of the issues that were pointed out, resulting in a significantly improved rider experience.
We are confident in our ability to put out a quality product while continuing to implement feedback.“
I guess we will need to wait and see what July 15 brings.
As you can imagine there is a lot of talk about the Dura over there. Feedback has been
“We plan on continuing to improve DURA with frequent firmware releases, as we do with all of our watches.
When DURA ships to customers on July 15, we will already have updated the firmware from the early version demonstrated by many of the media outlets today, to a new version that addresses many of the issues that were pointed out, resulting in a significantly improved rider experience.
We are confident in our ability to put out a quality product while continuing to implement feedback.“
I guess we will need to wait and see what July 15 brings.
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dan_bo
How much does it cost to Oldham?
Interesting but that CW website makes me seasick.
They are obviously doing what Garmin are well known for doing. Releasing products and using the general buying public as beta testers.
From the DC Rainmaker preview:
"For one, bike computers should notice within 3-5 seconds of a missed turn. Then, they should just automatically re-route to make it work. Just like every other bike computer and phone mapping app does today. I shouldn’t have to wait minutes, then give it specific guidance.
But that’s actually not the biggest limiter. The biggest challenge is that COROS can’t re-route on the device itself. Instead, it has to go via your cell phone to Google Maps to get re-routing information. If you don’t have cellular connectivity, it won’t re-route. Or, if the app connection drops, it won’t re-route.
I’ve discussed this a lot with COROS. Their view is that in 2024, they believe that re-routing can be better done via the cloud, than on-device. And sure, that’s perhaps true if you’ve got always-connected devices. But the fundamental reality of a bike computer is that many people go beyond cellular range. In fact, especially the many gravel riders they sponsored for Unbound, which would frequently be in no-cellular coverage zones
COROS says they aren’t opposed to offline routing longer term, but it’s not a priority right now. Keeping in mind that once a company starts down that offline routing/re-routing journey, history with other bike computer companies trying this (Wahoo, Hammerhead, Sigma) tells us it’s a 2-3 year process before that’s reliable. And those are companies with extensive experience as bike computer companies. Point being, this won’t likely happen (reliably) overnight."
"For one, bike computers should notice within 3-5 seconds of a missed turn. Then, they should just automatically re-route to make it work. Just like every other bike computer and phone mapping app does today. I shouldn’t have to wait minutes, then give it specific guidance.
But that’s actually not the biggest limiter. The biggest challenge is that COROS can’t re-route on the device itself. Instead, it has to go via your cell phone to Google Maps to get re-routing information. If you don’t have cellular connectivity, it won’t re-route. Or, if the app connection drops, it won’t re-route.
I’ve discussed this a lot with COROS. Their view is that in 2024, they believe that re-routing can be better done via the cloud, than on-device. And sure, that’s perhaps true if you’ve got always-connected devices. But the fundamental reality of a bike computer is that many people go beyond cellular range. In fact, especially the many gravel riders they sponsored for Unbound, which would frequently be in no-cellular coverage zones
COROS says they aren’t opposed to offline routing longer term, but it’s not a priority right now. Keeping in mind that once a company starts down that offline routing/re-routing journey, history with other bike computer companies trying this (Wahoo, Hammerhead, Sigma) tells us it’s a 2-3 year process before that’s reliable. And those are companies with extensive experience as bike computer companies. Point being, this won’t likely happen (reliably) overnight."
Ming the Merciless
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I don’t trust on device rerouting in the UK. I have it turned off. Just tell me I’ve gone off route quickly and I’ll find my way back onto it via the map page.
Yep I have done the same with my Garmin Explore.
It was a well known trait and fail on Garmin's part that the re-routing feature causes some Garmin units to crash.
Dogtrousers
Kilometre nibbler
Automatic re routing is practically impossible. There are too many unknowns.
Say I go off course because of a road closure. I may want to pick up my route when I can, but no great hurry, so maybe I'll run parallel for 10k before rejoining. But I may instead want to get back on course sooner in order not to miss a control point or a café or something. Or maybe I've just missed a turn 10 seconds ago and need to turn round now. Or maybe I'd prefer to just abandon the route all together and plot a new route to my destination. The computer can't know what I want to do.
The best it can do is alert you quickly and let you decide.
My Garmin 530 used to be good at detecting I was off route, but hopeless at deciding what to do about it. It would just have a bit of a breakdown and repeatedly advise "Make a U Turn" over and over, even when I'd got myself back on track, but it hadn't noticed. I haven't noticed this behaviour in the 1040
Say I go off course because of a road closure. I may want to pick up my route when I can, but no great hurry, so maybe I'll run parallel for 10k before rejoining. But I may instead want to get back on course sooner in order not to miss a control point or a café or something. Or maybe I've just missed a turn 10 seconds ago and need to turn round now. Or maybe I'd prefer to just abandon the route all together and plot a new route to my destination. The computer can't know what I want to do.
The best it can do is alert you quickly and let you decide.
My Garmin 530 used to be good at detecting I was off route, but hopeless at deciding what to do about it. It would just have a bit of a breakdown and repeatedly advise "Make a U Turn" over and over, even when I'd got myself back on track, but it hadn't noticed. I haven't noticed this behaviour in the 1040
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Some margin? Roughly how much? I've been wearing a Garmin for a few years now and one of the main things is the battery life. If COROS are significantly better then I'm interested.
Regular.Cyclist
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My Vertix 2s arrived with me on the 23rd of May. I charged it to 100% then set it up and have worn it 24/7 since. I’ve set it to use dual frequency satellite (it’s accuracy is excellent) which uses a bit more power.
During that period I have recorded 15 running activities, including two half marathons and a 20 miles run. The shortest run was 10k. As I sit here now it is showing 61% battery remaining.
Boopop
Guru
Just as well I bought my 1040 Solar just over a year after release
I managed to get it for £450, which I'm rather happy with. Still, they've only just in the past few weeks managed to finally solve the battery drain in standby bug! Anyway hopefully it'll last ten years like my 810 did.
I have had my 530 suggest a reroute, unfortunately the right turn it was recommending would have taken me back almost to where I went off route meaning a Z shaped ride wheras straight on brought me back on route further on more sensibly.
