Coronavirus outbreak

[PaulB]

If the NHS stopped all other treatment, I really need to find out who that guy was with his hand up my @rse!?

Bars and nightclubs still open in your area then?

 

[Bollo]

@oldfatfool You know that to be fact do you or are reading the in the papers? The NHS at no point has closed to anyone who need’s immediate or emergency treatment. Elective surgery was on the whole stopped. Some other treatments based on individual clinical history was delayed based on the risk of COVID outweighing other factors. But only if the clinical history allowed. Not wholesale but case by case. Effect of COVID on NHS capacity is not just beds you simply can’t run a normal health service with COVID all around. Every intervention or patient contact now needs PPE , distancing means less room in clinics, more staff off with sickness or isolating. Some services stopped not because of beds but a total lack of planning and lack of PPE. Thanks to governments forgetting calls to plan and stock up.

Most of the NHS is outside a hospital primary care never closed and much has been running on the whole at normal levels. Face to face GP appointments as the norm has stopped. But most people never need a face to face appointment in the first place, other services like pharmacies remained open. Many clinics still ran but in different ways like drive thoughts or moved to other buildings like unused football function rooms.

What Boris was saying and clearly you’ve missed the point. Is that come the week of Christmas the whole of the NHS not just Critical care or ICU will totally run out of beds. Not just for covid but for everyone that means no treatment for anyone. Which leaves one option only clinicians making life or death decisions not an clinical need but on bed numbers. That means allowing people to die on the street outside the hospitals or in the back of ambulance's on mass or in hospital corridors alone. Not just the old but anyone now think about it. No one can ever know if they need care or become critically ill including you.
I’ve seen the effect of making a clinical call to stop treatment has on ones who have to make them. Having to make it day in day out on just having a bed or not. Will break many HCP’s never mind ones who at home will have pick up pieces.

The NHS is not prefect it never was but a hell of a lot of work , by many has gone into stopping the wheels coming off first time round at what personal cast only time will tell. Most of the work you and others will never see or what effect being pushed to limit has had. So for the ones who have and ones who live with them kindly either get the facts right, try and understand the bigger picture, but above all have some respect to the many who everyday try and care for others even when the odds are not looking good.

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[tom73]

As we lockdown yet another liberal democracy is once again recording zero cases. They’ve had a few issues along the way but acted on them quickly and hit Covid hard. Above all as with NZ they admitted when things went wrong held inquiries and learned from it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-54768038

 

[Julia9054]

There are alot of people shouting on Twitter about the NHS stopping cancer treatment so I thought I would look up some of the relevant figures.
Patients are supposed to be seen by the relevant specialist within 2 weeks of a GP referral for suspected cancer. The standard for this for a trust not to be failing is 93%. The figures nationally for August (latest month available) are as follows 2018 - 91.7%,2019 - 89.4% and this year - 87.8%. A steady decline in meeting the required standard over the last 3 years rather than a massive drop this year only.

 

[mjr]

I'm due some blood tests, but I won't be bothering. Didn't bother 18 months ago as the queue was horrendous, and the consultant then 'made up' my test results in a letter to my GP. Shan't be going near the flea pit this time. The test's aren't essential - only endocrinology.

I've had bloods and X rays since March with no problems. Hospital is a strange austere stripped down place with most of the paper notices and things like child play area toys removed but they seem to be coping OK. I also know from others that cancer care continued but with delays from enhanced cleaning, lower waiting area capacity and so on.

 

[MarkF]

There are alot of people shouting on Twitter about the NHS stopping cancer treatment so I thought I would look up some of the relevant figures.
Patients are supposed to be seen by the relevant specialist within 2 weeks of a GP referral for suspected cancer. The standard for this for a trust not to be failing is 93%. The figures nationally for August (latest month available) are as follows 2018 - 91.7%,2019 - 89.4% and this year - 87.8%. A steady decline in meeting the required standard over the last 3 years rather than a massive drop this year only.

That is interesting but the figures for GP referrals would also be needed for those years?

 

[Julia9054]

That is interesting but the figures for GP referrals would also be needed for those years?

Down this year according to a report in the Lancet. Report says they are unable to determine whether that is due to people unable to see their GP or people deliberately not wanting to bother their GP or assuming they won't be able to be seen.

 

[BoldonLad]

Some people I know now chatting about whether this will mean increased pressure for a Scotland-wide lockdown.

Nicola always trumps Boris, so, I suspect Scotland will be having double lock down, for eight weeks.

 

[MarkF]

Dr Clare Craig has discovered a lot of anomolies in testing procedures/results and believes we have a testing problem, no longer an epidemic.

https://logicinthetimeofcovid.com/blog/

https://lockdownsceptics.org/how-covid-deaths-are-over-counted/

I include this graph to provide perspective when confronted with hysterical recent headlines like "4000 deaths per day", it is plainly cobblers, about 1600 die every day from ALL causes.

 

[MarkF]

Down this year according to a report in the Lancet. Report says they are unable to determine whether that is due to people unable to see their GP or people deliberately not wanting to bother their GP or assuming they won't be able to be seen.

Thank you. I do think people think they cannot access the NHS when they can.

 

[BoldonLad]

I'm due some blood tests, but I won't be bothering. Didn't bother 18 months ago as the queue was horrendous, and the consultant then 'made up' my test results in a letter to my GP. Shan't be going near the flea pit this time. The test's aren't essential - only endocrinology.

Yes, myself and Mrs @BoldonLad needed blood tests. Our GP Surgery gave us a telephone number to call, to make an appointment. That was three weeks ago. We have phoned the number, several times per day, for the past three weeks. No answer. No-one at GP surgery has queried why no tests done (so much for the multi billion. Pound IT system). Several of my pals are having same experience.

 

[tom73]

How do you get compliance ? This... which is just how other part of world have done it.

View: https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/1322865637551722497?s=21

 

[oldfatfool]

How do you get compliance ? This... which is just how other part of world have done it.

View: https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/1322865637551722497?s=21

When someone can show me the legitimacy of stopping overnight stays in second homes and the closure of golf courses and how they effect infection rates in comparison to workplaces, schools and colleges then I will stand the drop. No doubt these two will be the last restrictions lifted (again) after all other money generating venues have opened regardless of their effect on infection rates!

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

#wewillnotcomply is trending on twitter. peanuts

 

[Edwardoka]

#wewillnotcomply is trending on twitter. peanuts

As you know I am one of the least authoritarian people around but I reckon some boots on necks is the only way to sort this out.
(If my neck gets stood on feel free to post this comment on the leopardsatemyface subreddit)