Ming the Merciless
There is no mercy
- Location
- Inside my skull
Pray tell what happened to the first one?
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Pray tell what happened to the first one?
stowie
Legendary Member
This is one of the things about this virus - the symptoms of having it is far shorter than the contagion period. I was reading last night that the exact contagion period is uncertain at the moment, but judging by the transmission statistics, people will be passing it on before symptoms show. A MP will have been in contact with a lot of people on an average week.
The same article said that the reason SARS was contained (a far more deadly disease) was because people were generally really ill before they had a chance to pass it on and so isolating patients quickly could be very effective.
It's not known precisely but likely a gigantic superspreader. More things in recent days have suggested that he did seek medical advice and help multiple times, in contact with a large number of different medics, patients, friends. That that medical help went wrong, many people from neighbouring provinces infected and circulating before contact tracing tried in vain and then tests found out oh dear we better have a quarantine in 11 communes - which people didn't stick to, although doesn't seem as widely flouted as the northern quarantine.
Italians see it very differently from us. They think their response has been far better than the uk, spain or germany and can't work out why it is so bad there.
My point was that sadly, patient uno's behaviour and the system set up to try and help him seems to have gone very badly wrong and seems to be viewed in italy by the more discerning discussion as to why it's been pretty much unstoppable in Italy.
MichaelO
Guru
This was a very interesting read
View: https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca
View: https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca
Italy has practically everyone in the country wearing an FFP3 mask and social distancing and it's still spreading wildly. Does it actually work? It's being rigorously enforced in supermarkets and large mobs of people are crowded outside to get into them.
Yes I know captain kirk here is gonna say well of course they did it too late for it to work, after 5 to 6 days if they do it properly it will start to pay off.
Yes I know captain kirk here is gonna say well of course they did it too late for it to work, after 5 to 6 days if they do it properly it will start to pay off.
Mo1959
Legendary Member
- Location
- Perthshire,Scotland
I suspect the numbers here are going to shoot up soon. A health centre near Falkirk has put up a post saying a number of their staff have respiratory symptoms which sounds a bit worrying. They are currently taking advice on the next steps.
fossyant
Ride It Like You Stole It!
- Location
- South Manchester
glasgowcyclist
Charming but somewhat feckless
- Location
- Scotland
They did act too slowly. Look at Taiwan which, despite being on China's doorstep and with hundreds of thousands of their people living and working in China, could have been seriously affected by the outbreak but with early measures and a high level of preparedness has limited the cases to 45 and a single death.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...avirus-countries-stumble-200307034353325.html
We in the west have been too slow to act and will pay the price.
Ming the Merciless
There is no mercy
- Location
- Inside my skull
On 18 February, a fit 38-year old with no apparent links to China fell ill in Codogno. He saw his GP and visited his local hospital several times, but his symptoms were not picked up as resulting from the coronavirus.
Known as Patient One by the Italian media, when he was finally admitted to hospital he was tested after a 36-hour delay, which he spent outside isolation. By that time he had infected a number of medical personnel and other contacts over a period of days.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...nce-to-quarantine-how-coronavirus-swept-italy
From the same article:
“Mistakes were made, probably, in late January,” the author Beppe Severgnini wrote in an op-ed for the New York Times on 2 March. “Italy may have been ill advised to stop flights to and from China; those flights would have provided a clear indication of who was arriving from that country, making health checks easier.”
Its worth reading the whole article
- Location
- London
Good piece here making clear the farce that is almost certainly going to hit the states.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51803890
Trump usual stupidity and crassness at the beginning, then a good outline of the availability (or sheer lack) of testkits, then a clear analysis of the potential costs for folks.
Potential as in many folks aren't going to want to/be able to pay the costs.
Chickens and roosting.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51803890
Trump usual stupidity and crassness at the beginning, then a good outline of the availability (or sheer lack) of testkits, then a clear analysis of the potential costs for folks.
Potential as in many folks aren't going to want to/be able to pay the costs.
Chickens and roosting.
Beebo
Firm and Fruity
- Location
- Hexleybeef
I bet they still allocated you a middle row seat unless you paid extra.
kingrollo
Guru
depends what the price is. We appear to be keeping the economy going at the expense of peoples lives
kingrollo
Guru
Yep our numbers don't look to bad - but we have only tested 25k people - Italy are doing far more than that
I read somewhere that from Today anyone presenting with respiratory symptoms would be tested - which begs the question whats been happening to them up until this point.
This is the Guardian's reporting of it, which whilst in the UK is the most extensive, is still widely underreported (as they were very slow and underreported quarantine news as well). If you switch on italian tv programs at times there is at times large and even more commentary on patient uno.
