That's the problem you can set a reminder I believe but not sure if you can have it on repeat or if it's a one off.
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SkipdiverJohn
Deplorable Brexiteer
- Location
- London
My job is hands-on and can't be done without me being physically present. If I get sent home the most I can be given to do is to read a few emails and briefings. I won't be doing anything that could be considered real work, and I can't see it filling more than an hour a day at the most. Also, in theory if you get this app, there is no limit to the number of times you could get alerted and sent to isolate. If a large number of people take up the app, there are going to be a lot of potential interactions, so you could get sent home several times over the next few months. My understanding is that even if you got a genuine alert and then had a positive test result, you could still get sent to isolate yet again say in a month's time, because you had another alert - even though by previously having had the virus you would be immune!
The whole regime is totally bonkers, sending well people home due to unreliable false alerts, and sending immune people home due to the fact acquired immunity is not officially recognised as meaning no action to isolate needs to be taken.
Julia9054
Guru
- Location
- Knaresborough
I have downloaded it out of curiosity but I don’t think it is going to be of much benefit to me. If I catch it, it is overwhelmingly likely to be at work where my phone is not on my person. We have our own effective track and trace system - already tested out as (like many schools) we have had cases already. If I am spending more than 15 minutes with someone not in a work setting, then they are going to be a friend who’s contact details I already have. I go to band rehearsals where we have each other’s contact details and a covid risk assessment or I might occasionally go somewhere like the hairdresser - who have my contact details and their own Covid secure procedures. Can’t really think of any other scenario for me personally.
You give a number of scenarios where you are trusting other people to be honest and open.
Are you sure?
Julia9054
Guru
- Location
- Knaresborough
I seriously don’t have that many friends! I can actually only think of 3 people I have spent more than 15 minutes with in the last month!
My spare time is mostly spent cycling with my partner or by myself!
Good. For you that works.
A CTC group I used to ride with, have been following CTC guidelines - sub groups of 6 on a ride, 10m between riders, 15 minutes between groups.
All well and good one might think!
A blog post from one rider said it was working well: The sub-groups were stratified by speed and you could always socialise with the other groups at the meet up at the end of the ride.
Errm, no!
Thankfully that post was followed by one from the Group Chair emphasizing the need for sub groups NOT to socialise.
There an awful lot of very stupid clever people!
Julia9054
Guru
- Location
- Knaresborough
Some of the younger members of my band are socialising at the pub after rehearsals. I never went to the pub after band before Covid so wont be doing so now. A bit of chatting in the car park (standing 2 metres away and outdoors) and then home.
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
And the app doubling the "close contact" distance to 4m probably quadruples the interactions...
I think even many who think covid is dangerous have doubts this app will be a net benefit.
oldwheels
Legendary Member
- Location
- Isle of Mull
Nobody seems to have reported problems with the Scottish app which is triggered if you are 2 metres or less for more than 15 minutes from somebody who has tested positive.
classic33
Leg End Member
You keep on repeating that having caught it, you'd be immune from catching it again. Care to back that bit up. To date there's no proof that that is true, just hearsay.My job is hands-on and can't be done without me being physically present. If I get sent home the most I can be given to do is to read a few emails and briefings. I won't be doing anything that could be considered real work, and I can't see it filling more than an hour a day at the most. Also, in theory if you get this app, there is no limit to the number of times you could get alerted and sent to isolate. If a large number of people take up the app, there are going to be a lot of potential interactions, so you could get sent home several times over the next few months. My understanding is that even if you got a genuine alert and then had a positive test result, you could still get sent to isolate yet again say in a month's time, because you had another alert - even though by previously having had the virus you would be immune!
The whole regime is totally bonkers, sending well people home due to unreliable false alerts, and sending immune people home due to the fact acquired immunity is not officially recognised as meaning no action to isolate needs to be taken.
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
Yes but it's Scotland so it doesn't get reported down here
More seriously, "Nicola Sturgeon humiliated as coronavirus app wreaks HAVOC on phones – ‘doesn’t work!’" - sorry did I write serious? That's the Faily Express.
There were some comments early on about it saving the number of close contacts in a settings variable, which would be poor in several ways, but the report on The Herald's website that was at https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18734312.protect-scotland-app-check-many-people-come-contact/ is now only in search engine caches and most of the others seem gone completely.
I've not seen that many reviews of it at all. Does it suffer the same distance measurement problems and close-contact-through-walls as the England and Wales one?
Local law firm today questioned legality of student lockdown in Manchester. Hours later uni confirms it’s not compulsory. Police say it’s not enforceable so not police matter.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...ter-news/this-not-policing-issue-mmu-19006899
What mess all round
https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...ter-news/this-not-policing-issue-mmu-19006899
What mess all round
SkipdiverJohn
Deplorable Brexiteer
- Location
- London
I think the app is just going to create chaos in workforces by sending out loads of spurious alerts resulting in huge numbers of pointless isolations, where it turns out the person alerted gets no symptoms or tests negative (if they can actually get a test in time). In jobs where staff come into contact with a lot of other people, it would only take one employee to be alerted initially, then all their colleagues would also get them from being in proximity, and before you know it you could have an organisation ending up with half it's manpower in self-isolation all at the same time. Just think about the types of jobs involving public contact, retail staff, public transport, construction, utilities, police, education, delivery drivers etc.
classic33
Leg End Member
How many of them are in close contact with the same person for 15 minutes.
If they show no symptoms, is that any guarantee that they don't actually have it. I refer you, again, to "Typhoid Mary" who never showed any signs of the disease, but still passed the disease on to others.
