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tom73

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Location
Yorkshire
Dumbassery from the scottish unis and scottish government.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-54285720

Students don't go to pubs, restaurants or parties.

All right, well if it's such a high risk then close the pubs. Utter farkwittery.
It’s a bit simplistic at best to stop some but let everyone else in.

With the growing mess in Scotland and odds on it’s going to happen here. It’s hoped unis have got mental health support bang on.Too many have not been on the ball and we seen enough inquests that show what happens when they get it wrong :sad:
 
Yes it is in fact we already have contact tracing that works and has been for years. Ran and implemented by local professionals who know the community and know what messaging works. Which is what other counties have continued to use and invest in. We just handed the whole lot to Serco who have no background in public health or experience of contact tracing. In one go cutting of local informed , experienced professionals. Even simple stuff is missed like much of the updated guidelines have not been made available in different languages. We can’t even manage simple effective public health messaging. Which is well known to work. We don’t even ask why people are asking for a test. Like did they get told if so who , did they feel like having one , if so why
Disabled people have been turned away for testing as no one thought how can they do the test themselves. We have decades of research and information on how people do thing and why. We know what works and with which groups of people. Plenty on how society works. I know I sent years studying them. The government just is not involving experts who can explain it or look at what’s not working. They just want to play the blame game and wash hands of any of it.

You keep mentioning other counties. I assume you mean countries.

I agree with you that our approach to testing and contact tracing as a country has been very poor. You will not see me congratulating this government on their handling of the pandemic.

What I disagree with you on is that it is easy to fix. It should have been done a lot better from the start but it wasn't and now, six months in, to stop doing what we are doing and change it to something more effective is probably beyond this government's abilities.

The government cannot avoid taking the blame for most of the problems with testing and tracing but I also believe a significant element of the fault lies with the general population, too many of whom see these restrictions as a pain and unnecessary, and look for ways to get round them rather than adhere to them.

Nobody comes out of this well.
 

classic33

Leg End Member
Indeed. I suspect some student halls are effectively "worker dormitories" which the evidence seems to suggest is a very high risk place to be. The bans seem a bit arbitrary - couldn't they just be encouraged to sit outside, instead?

There's also this worrying bit: "Students will also be required to download the Protect Scotland app" - now everywhere is a police state, forcing leaky battery-monster tracking software onto your phone?
Or be forced to carry a card that gave you permission/the right to walk on a particular stretch of public highway.

Did that in 2001. Still got stopped and asked why was I there. And when it was all over, I clearly recall hearing that never again will such measures have to be taken. Well, it's 2020 and nature has proved them wrong.

Just get rid of the phone if it bothers you that much. Buy one that can't take the "monster-battery tracking software".
 

marinyork

Resting in suspended Animation
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Logopolis

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God knows what you'd make of Lovett or more complicated papers than that then. If you're going to make silly points, at least do it about papers I haven't read.
 
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tom73

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
You keep mentioning other counties. I assume you mean countries.

I agree with you that our approach to testing and contact tracing as a country has been very poor. You will not see me congratulating this government on their handling of the pandemic.

What I disagree with you on is that it is easy to fix. It should have been done a lot better from the start but it wasn't and now, six months in, to stop doing what we are doing and change it to something more effective is probably beyond this government's abilities.

The government cannot avoid taking the blame for most of the problems with testing and tracing but I also believe a significant element of the fault lies with the general population, too many of whom see these restrictions as a pain and unnecessary, and look for ways to get round them rather than adhere to them.

Nobody comes out of this well.
Oh yes I do the that’s what typing on a phone gets me. We don’t need to start over to make things work. Though the government tried it By smashing up PHE. They Just need to put the right people in place and use the public health professionals. We have and not sideline them. We already know the local approach is working. NHS local bits are already out performing the serco bits. On tracing and have been for some time. Without a quick turn around in public confidence even people who want to do the right thing. Will walk away and then we really are stuffed. Only the government can fix that one.
 
Oh yes I do the that’s what typing on a phone gets me. We don’t need to start over to make things work. Though the government tried it By smashing up PHE. They Just need to put the right people in place and use the public health professionals. We have and not sideline them. We already know the local approach is working. NHS local bits are already out performing the serco bits. On tracing and have been for some time. Without a quick turn around in public confidence even people who want to do the right thing. Will walk away and then we really are stuffed. Only the government can fix that one.

I'm beginning to fall into that camp.
I'm looking at this very selfishly because most folk around here don't seem to give a fark. Still got groups of people congregating, ganger buses full with no face coverings, groups of 50 odd kids all playing on the new skate park, work colleagues and customers not following distancing.

I'm doing all I can to protect myself and the Mrs and others where I can.

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tom73

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
I'm beginning to fall into that camp.
I'm looking at this very selfishly because most folk around here don't seem to give a fark. Still got groups of people congregating, ganger buses full with the face coverings, groups of 50 odd kids all playing on the new skate park, work colleagues and customers not following distancing.

I'm doing all I can to protect myself and the Mrs and others where I can.
It's hard at times on all of us when you see the mess others are making of all this. We just have to keep going then at least we can look back and say we tried.
 

raleighnut

Legendary Member
Our county must be full of block heads then. Other counties have not had half as many issues as us. Public health need clear , simple, and consistent messaging. Other counties worked that out and it’s paid off. If a HCP is unsure if someone they manage needs a test then that’s not down to being thick. We can’t equally put it all down to not giving a stuff either.
Most of the data that wolund help improve the situation the government don’t even collect the little they do collect they make pubic.
Yep I've come to the conclusion that there are a lot of selfish thickos in this country, the same mentality that leads them to overtake cyclists then stop at traffic lights shortly after. :cursing:
 

pawl

Legendary Member
I'm beginning to fall into that camp.
I'm looking at this very selfishly because most folk around here don't seem to give a fark. Still got groups of people congregating, ganger buses full with the face coverings, groups of 50 odd kids all playing on the new skate park, work colleagues and customers not following distancing.

I'm doing all I can to protect myself and the Mrs and others where I can.


Are the uni halls of residence going to become the new areas of infection instead of the EPH?
 
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stowie

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God knows what you'd make of Lovett or more complicated papers than that then. If you're going to make silly points, at least do it about papers I haven't read. You are srw AICMFP.

OK I'll bite.

Link to the paper you mention. I will have a read.

Lookup tables. Cannot find any mention of lookup tables on the GAEN API documentation online but would be interested to understand why you think a lookup table helps here. Link if the information is online. I am struggling to understand how a lookup table would help really help resolve the physics challenges of measuring distance via blootooth. The GAEN code is closed source and it appears the actual functionality is not really described in detail on public information releases. Maybe this information is disclosed to registered health care providers only.

I am genuinely interested here - I some background in this area and would like to know, our of curiosity, how well the techniques actually approximate distance. Not least because this would have applications outside COVID apps as well.
 

tom73

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
Are the uni halls of residence going to become the new areas of infection instead of the EPH?
NUS before uni's went back said they feared Uni's would become just that in any seconded wave. It's not hard to see this would happen uni's every year get outbreaks of infectious disease. How they thought a highly infectious disease that is so suited to mass groups would be any different is bonkers. The rush to get students back looks to have been largely both political and driven by academic snobbery of distance learning.
 
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