Coronavirus outbreak

[Julia9054]

I would argue that lockdown for every asthmatic, diabetic, heart , COPD, cancer, lupus, MS , and over 50 would be almost as disruptive as the lockdown we have. In my household of 4 adults - only 1 would not be under lockdown.

Plus there is still a high hospitalastion rate amongst the healthy ....the NHS wouldn't cope with that all at once.

There seems to be an opinion that there is the old and vulnerable vs the rest of us whereas in fact it is more of a sliding scale where we don’t actually know the exact risks each of us are taking. And that is assuming everyone knows what comorbidities they may have.
Those people of working age probably don’t have the option to give up their jobs and isolate whatever risk factors they may have. We all have housing to pay for and people to feed.

 

[All uphill]

There seems to be an opinion that there is the old and vulnerable vs the rest of us whereas in fact it is more of a sliding scale where we don’t actually know the exact risks each of us are taking. And that is assuming everyone knows what comorbidities they may have.
Those people of working age probably don’t have the option to give up their jobs and isolate whatever risk factors they may have. We all have housing to pay for and people to feed.

The discussion also ignores the inconvenient subject of people who do not die but have longer term debilitating effects.
Our 27yr old son is one of those, and it is not a good place to be.

 

[Julia9054]

The discussion also ignores the inconvenient subject of people who do not die but have longer term debilitating effects.
Our 27yr old son is one of those, and it is not a good place to be.

Ah yes. The death vs a bit of a cough fallacy

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

A socially distanced concert in Newcastle

 

[PK99]

Worth reading the history of “Spanish Flu” across the globe, after the first wave people assumed it was fine, the second wave was brutal. Also it had a significant impact on people’s life expectancy. The key is to understand and take reasonable precautions during a pandemic. 100% lockdown is not worth the cost in the same way as having no precautions leads to significant damage. Simply assuming you will be alright ignores the impact generally on others.

Once again, the key difference is the age groups most vulnerable. Spanish flu killed many in their 20s and 30s, including my paternal grandparents. 50% of Covid deaths are over 85 and only 10% are below 65 - with most of those having pre existing conditions.

 

[classic33]

You have identified that you are at higher risk of being badly affected if you get a dose of the virus, so have sensibly decided to minimise contact in order to try to avoid catching it. That is entirely logical, and one which I would agree with in the circumstances.
What is not logical, is for the large majority of fit & healthy people, who are at little risk from the virus, to risk losing their jobs and have their lives disrupted for months on end - for absolutely no benefit whatsoever.
In fact, from a long term transmission point of view, the more healthy people that catch the virus now and gain immunity to it, the better - as there is then less chance of the sick & elderly catching it from the rest of us as we won't be virus carriers.

Question!
In 2001, we had Foot and Mouth in this country. Large areas of open ground and countryside were simply placed off limits. Some roads simply closed. Three foot wide disinfectent soak straw mats at the entrances to a large number of properties

Were you one of those who said they'd never catch it, ignored the law, and went where you wanted. Safe in your knowledge that you'd never catch it. But had a chance of spreading it to another region?

There's parts round here that haven't recovered yet to their pre 2001 state.

 

[tom73]

When a highly experienced Nurse come's home from her first response shift on the respiratory care unit she use to run. Who has seen and interpreted 1000's of chest X-rays. Tell's you having seen her first covid one that she has never seen anything like it, neither have the respiratory doctors. You know this is something to worry about.
I've two options, one look at what's happening ,engage brain and read, review the evidence using the knowledge and experience I have and
listen to what my wife is saying, seeing and experiencing.
or I can reach for my tin foil hat.
If many of us all get proved wrong and it was nothing to worry about at least we know we tried to a save a life.
Some however will never know as they never even tried.
Saying that it's little point even trying to argue with some who see life of others as disposable to the thrown in the skip.

 

[tom73]

Question!
In 2001, we had Foot and Mouth in this country. Large areas of open ground and countryside were simply placed off limits. Some roads simply closed. Three foot wide disinfectent soak straw mats at the entrances to a large number of properties

Were you one of those who said they'd never catch it, ignored the law, and went where you wanted. Safe in your knowledge that you'd never catch it. But had a chance of spreading it to another region?

There's parts round here that haven't recovered yet to their pre 2001 state.

He probably went round and toasted a few marshmallows by the fire. As others stood weeping as everything went up in flames.

 

[classic33]

Absolutely, the virus doesn't care who it infects. If I'm in the pub with the virus, and you are a few feet away and high risk, you might well cop a dose of it from me. However, I don't see why I should not go about my business as normal, because a small minority of people might react badly to the virus. The sick minority are the ones who need to take the necessary steps to keep away from the rest of the population, not the other way round. The sooner the majority of the healthy population have caught it and become immune, the safer it will be for those in high risk groups to intermingle normally as the virus will have burned itself out in the general population and won't be circulating freely.
Many of those in high risk groups are economically inactive, and them isolating to keep themselves away from everyone else would be far less disruptive and economically damaging, than having destructive lockdowns and restrictions on doing business which affect everyone.

Why should I have to hide just so you can carry on as you see fit? It's an inconvenience, and nothing else to you.

I'm of the opinion that anyone who knows they have it, and ignores the restrictions in place, should be hit the hardest. Along with those who have been told to self isolate, but don't see the point of doing so.

 

[RoadRider400]

A socially distanced concert in Newcastle
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Looks better than a conventional concert. Cant say jostling for position, getting bumped into and being stuck around people watching the concert through their mobile phone has any appeal whatsoever.

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

There's so many side-effects of Covid that re being discovered all the time. I've discovered it affects wardrobes too

 

[Kajjal]

Once again, the key difference is the age groups most vulnerable. Spanish flu killed many in their 20s and 30s, including my paternal grandparents. 50% of Covid deaths are over 85 and only 10% are below 65 - with most of those having pre existing conditions.

I would be cautious making the comparison, average life expectancy at the beginning of the last century was mid to late 40’s. A hundred years later it was about 80. going forward the key will not simply be who dies but the long term health implications. In various pandemics this only becomes clear later on , in the case of Spanish flu reducing people’s life expectancy significantly.

 

[pawl]

And that’s not harmful either what an existence ?. Or we could all take the precautions asked and don’t be dicks .

This guy by comments whatever his arguments are just doesn’t give a dam.

 

[MrGrumpy]

This guy by comments whatever his arguments are just doesn’t give a dam.

Yep that’s what comes across. . Antagonistic in truth.

 

[marinyork]

A socially distanced concert in Newcastle
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I think that was what they showed on Sky News a few weeks ago. That's fascinating as they showed it empty and that's what it really looks like.