Coronavirus outbreak

[kingrollo]

Pubs are highly visible places. Most of us have little idea of what is going on in peoples' homes, it's basically cross your fingers.

The pubs one, if you're going to moan about pubs at least do it properly. When I travel past pubs I see a lot of people 50s-70s. Same in cafes. Same in restaurants. People under 25 are convening in large groups in parks and other outdoor places. I suspect there may be indoor household mixing a lot based on what people have said.

A lot of people say exactly what some of the people on this thread do, then when a person who may judge them is out of earshot, they'll say they have been on holiday, to the salon, to large shopping centres, eating out regularly etc. I'm all right Jack. The virus is always other peoples' fault and other people should be careful so I can do whatever I want. I've seen so much of this the last month. People need to stop doing this and limiting contact a bit and others doing a bit more than they are.

How do you moan about a pub 'Properly' ?

 

[marinyork]

How do you moan about a pub 'Properly' ?

If people need to get stuff off their chest and it helps, by all means. But people will be saying the same thing every week. Is it good for us?

Out there it's normal now. A lot of still WFH, some things closed but on the whole it's normal. Pubs and restaurants are packed, people are standing a bit further apart and having to wait, but on the whole remarkably similar to normal.

It isn't young people packing out pubs, it's all ages. That's because things are back to normal, largely.

Pubs will spread covid, but so will offices, factories, secondary schools, colleges, universities and a few other things. It's going to be a very long autumn and winter and we're barely started.

Unfortunately there's no way of enforcing good pubs and bad pubs, just like there isn't with workplaces.

 

[kingrollo]

If people need to get stuff off their chest and it helps, by all means. But people will be saying the same thing every week. Is it good for us?

Out there it's normal now. A lot of still WFH, some things closed but on the whole it's normal. Pubs and restaurants are packed, people are standing a bit further apart and having to wait, but on the whole remarkably similar to normal.

It isn't young people packing out pubs, it's all ages. That's because things are back to normal, largely.

Pubs will spread covid, but so will offices, factories, secondary schools, colleges, universities and a few other things. It's going to be a very long autumn and winter and we're barely started.

Unfortunately there's no way of enforcing good pubs and bad pubs, just like there isn't with workplaces.

Well I am 57 - my days of going to pubs full of youngsters have sadly gone. I would agree its not just youngsters packing out pubs.

Still not sure what complaining about a pub "properly" means

 

[fossyant]

I'm just awaiting the workplace spikes. It's coming. I'm WFH as back office Uni staff, but I can see some of our 'class group bubbles' having to self isolate in the next few months - even with the best plans, one group test's positive, lecturer may also have to self isolate, and any of the other groups they teach. Whilst the Uni buildings and classes can be safely controlled, what happens back in their student accommodation, who knows ! I suspect there will be a fair amount of this going on.

 

[Flick of the Elbow]

My biggest issue with my gym is that it is attached to a university. Gyms are considered high risk in themselves, but when you also add in young people arriving from all over the UK and quite a few from the Far East, it’s a worrying combination.

 

[tom73]

pre lockdown I attended a hospital gym at least 3 times a week. I am beginning to feel the effects of not going - the gym rarley had more than 5 people in even when operating before lockdown - apparently its even less now.

Got the revised guidelines from the gym which says "Face masks are not recommended whilst working out" - I can understand that for cardio - but Id be doing light weights - Would wearing a mask do more harm than good ?

No it's not going to do any harm at all it's often used by the init mask brigade that they being about Hypoxia which is total fairy cakes.
If you feel you want to wear one than do so. A growing amount of studies are pointing to some level of protection to the wearer and it's not just a one way thing. How much is still open to debate. As most of the hospital estate require masks to be worn it's odd they leave some areas out. It sounds like if you time it right you'd be the one in away which is even better the key is the level ventilation provided and the cleaning measures they have in place.

 

[matticus]

My biggest issue with my gym is that it is attached to a university. Gyms are considered high risk in themselves, but when you also add in young people arriving from all over the UK and quite a few from the Far East, it’s a worrying combination.

At Uni we used to get "2nd week flu" (although usually just a common cold). It was an established phenomenon - all the staff confirmed it.

 

[Flick of the Elbow]

At Uni we used to get "2nd week flu" (although usually just a common cold). It was an established phenomenon - all the staff confirmed it.

That’s why I’m giving it until the end of November before deciding whether to go back or just to cancel.

 

[tom73]

If people need to get stuff off their chest and it helps, by all means. But people will be saying the same thing every week. Is it good for us?

Out there it's normal now. A lot of still WFH, some things closed but on the whole it's normal. Pubs and restaurants are packed, people are standing a bit further apart and having to wait, but on the whole remarkably similar to normal.

It isn't young people packing out pubs, it's all ages. That's because things are back to normal, largely.

Pubs will spread covid, but so will offices, factories, secondary schools, colleges, universities and a few other things. It's going to be a very long autumn and winter and we're barely started.

Unfortunately there's no way of enforcing good pubs and bad pubs, just like there isn't with workplaces.

Which was always going to be the big problem the guidelines re just too wooly and too easy to make fit. Without enforcement it's always going to hard to control. A few bottles of hand gel , a bit of tape and move a few chairs around and off you go. Some placers it's clear they have put the work in and I'd use them. But too many just don't care as long as they can open.So much of the effort is on dealing with outbreaks and little on controlling cases before they happen. We can open things up but in a controlled way with the right measures in place and kept in place. Sadly all we get is it's all ok and safe to go back to doing things. With public health information and the need to keep safe now nothing more than a foot note. Like you say this is not over by a long way and a bumpy road is coming. Even the talk of the biggest flu jab ever is looking just talk as many now look like waiting till December for a jab.

 

[kingrollo]

That’s why I’m giving it until the end of November before deciding whether to go back or just to cancel.

Student ? or lecturer ?

IMO you would bonkers as a student to cancel. Most of the transmission I would have thought would occur in fringe activities outside of uni - be careful and you should be ok.

All IMO of course. My lad is going back for his final year.

 

[Flick of the Elbow]

Student ? or lecturer ?

IMO you would bonkers as a student to cancel. Most of the transmission I would have thought would occur in fringe activities outside of uni - be careful and you should be ok.

All IMO of course. My lad is going back for his final year.

No, as stated a few posts above, I’m referring to my gym membership. The gym is attached to the university so most of its users are students or lecturers. But at £30 a month it’s good value for us non university types too.

 

[RoadRider400]

pre lockdown I attended a hospital gym at least 3 times a week. I am beginning to feel the effects of not going - the gym rarley had more than 5 people in even when operating before lockdown - apparently its even less now.

Got the revised guidelines from the gym which says "Face masks are not recommended whilst working out" - I can understand that for cardio - but Id be doing light weights - Would wearing a mask do more harm than good ?

Light weights implies high reps and thats reliant on your cardiovascular system.

Plus masks are generally to protect other people. A mask will not prevent you breathing in virus particles unless its an N95 mask and I dont think its wise to do exercise in such a mask. Nor will a mask stop you picking up the virus on your hands. Keep away from other people as much as possible and thoroughly clean your hands after, and leave the mask at home.

Alternatively if you are only doing light weights why not buy some on Ebay and train at home?

 

[pawl]

Thats good to hear - and that was my experience at first. But here in the west midlands thats not what Ive seen over the past week or so. One pub the bar was operating totally as normal - no Q then wait to be called - or people standing 2m apart. - I even seen someone told off for taking photos (presumably as pub was worried about these circulating on line)

Just seen a photograph On the Leicestershire Live website of parents outside of a school all crammed together One parent commented it was like a cattle pen,

 

[Flick of the Elbow]

Just seen a photograph On the Leicestershire Live website of parents outside of a school all crammed together One parent commented it was like a cattle pen,

Yes that’s been happening here too

 

[SpokeyDokey]

Demand rebounding for Rolls Royce:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53995886

Echoes a few conversations I have had in the last 10 days or so with 4 business owner friends (commercial property, carpet supply, IT infrastructure supplier and candle maker) with work forces ranging from 12 to over 160 - all are, apparently, now running flat out.