Julia9054
Guru
- Location
- Knaresborough
Hmmm . . . softly and brass bands is an interesting concept
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matticus
Guru
Would you be so kind as to print off a copy for my neighbour? Much appreciated x
Interesting suggestion from independent SAGE on testing university students. So much of this epidemic has been the tories addressing and stoking the fears of primary school teachers and parents. It's rare anything else is talked about.
https://www.theguardian.com/educati...y-for-university-students-say-scientists-sage
https://www.theguardian.com/educati...y-for-university-students-say-scientists-sage
DCLane
Found in the Yorkshire hills ...
- Location
- Dewsbury, West Yorkshire
@marinyork - given all of my teaching until January is online-only I'm not sure who the students will be mixing with?
First year students at my institution are having some face-to-face teaching I believe, but that's all.
First year students at my institution are having some face-to-face teaching I believe, but that's all.
With each other and the lecturers and other staff of varying flavours. Plenty of universities are planning a mix of face-to-face and on-line. It varies between unis and you and fossyant appear to be at the bunker mentality end of the spectrum, the university I'm at has opened some buildings up already. I know because I went past last week and had to do a double take and it's August so would normally be quiet. A special dispensation has been given to have hugely extended hours to get everything in, as there was always a pressure on available rooms before all of this anyway. I think that will only get implemented quite partially, it won't be normal to be having lectures till 8pm.
I'm not so much interested in the other independent SAGE suggestions other than the testing. The independent sage other suggestions were banged in there because there are apparently plenty of other unis not implementing those suggestions in full.
- Location
- Somewhere wet & hilly in NW England.
7 day UK wide deaths average down to 8/day:
Ming the Merciless
There is no mercy
- Location
- Inside my skull
Well I ended up in A&E last night. I went through Covid-19 triage before being taken into the waiting area. I was really surprised I wasn’t tested. Especially as they took my blood for other tests. Triage still seems to be symptom based, and doesn’t acknowledge asymptomatic from what I saw.
midlife
Guru
Unless you are being admitted or symptomatic you won’t be tested. Takes too long and being in A&E there should be a need for urgent treatment. There will have been “universal precautions” in place with staff treating you in level 2 PPE and the full level PPE with respirators if they generated an aerosol. Hope all was well and you are better 
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srw
It's a bit more complicated than that...
Listen to a recent More or Less on BBC sounds. The official data on deaths isn't reliable. The clue is in the footnote - it's only people with confirmed test results.
- Location
- Somewhere wet & hilly in NW England.
srw
It's a bit more complicated than that...
...until you add on the dozens of people who die per day of Covid, recorded on the death certificate but without the formal test. And the dozens more who die of Covid without the record on the death cert.
Mortality is still basically at normal. Even though all other contagious diseases, which are normally quietly and insidiously killing dozens a day without anyone noticing, have been squished by the anti-Covid measures.
SkipdiverJohn
Deplorable Brexiteer
- Location
- London
People die of stuff, that's the way of the world. Get used to it, it's been happening since life appeared on the planet. The current UK death rates are negligible. Even in the US, with a much higher infection rate, the deaths are proportionately not that high in relation to the number of virus cases. It's the same in most of the world. In the early days of the pandemic, the virus took out a lot of already very sick people quickly. The low hanging fruit in mortality terms. Once that cohort was decimated, the remaining population are more resistant to the virus, and the death rate has not tracked the infection rate but remained substantially lower. If we had a full-blown second wave in the UK, and daily infections equalled those in March/April, the death rate would not go up by anything like the increase in cases.
- Location
- Somewhere wet & hilly in NW England.
Where are you getting the figures of dozens more dying each day from?
Or are you basing that on your assumption in your last paragraph?
From what I can see from the available data is that death rates are very low with Scotland & Wales virtually at zero and England not far behind. In England only 600 beds are now occupied by Covid patients and only 60 are on mechanical ventilation. Sounds like much better News to me and well done to all involved for the massive improvement in the Covid mortality rate.
Still work to be done of course and it hasn't yet gone away but the UK is in a far better place (apart from economically) than it was at the Covid peak.
srw
It's a bit more complicated than that...
"Dozens" was a little hyperbolic. It's still over 20 per day on average with Covid on the death certificate. And unknown more without.
"The number of deaths involving COVID-19 registered in England and Wales in the week ending 7 August 2020 (Week 32) was 152 (1.7% of all deaths in that week)."
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...articles/coronaviruscovid19roundup/2020-03-26
- Location
- Somewhere wet & hilly in NW England.
Thumbs up for the hyperbole admission.
The original post by me was England only and up to the 19 August so 12 days later than the data that you are quoting.
End of the day srw whether it is 8 per day in England, or not very many more across the whole of the UK, it is an utterly negligible rate in the grand scheme of things and, imo, amounts to very good News considering where we were not too long ago. Set against a back-drop of de-restrictions over the last couple of months I think it is quite uplifting News in terms of us controlling the virus whilst slowly getting the country back up to speed.
