Coronavirus outbreak

[mjr]

There's a new public health education campaign from Belgium, also in English at https://11millionreasons.be which is a reference to the country's population and protecting each other:

Compare and contrast with anything you can find on https://www.gov.uk/coronavirus

 

[icowden]

Yup - my dad getting on 3 years ago.
however IMO he had a heart attack about 5 months earlier and never really recovered - his weak heart meant couldn't clear the fluid from his lungs - so pneumonia went on the death cert. I still say he died of a weak heart.

And this is one of the problems of cause-of-death counting. Cause of death doesn't include the cause of the cause of death. So for example, in fertility treatment it is possible that some women will have overstimulation (OHSS) due to medications prescribed which in turn can cause clotting, which in turn can cause a cardiac event. However cause of death is then "cardiac arrest" for example not "taking a tonne of fertility medications which caused a cardiac arrest".

 

[tom73]

So cases are down and more people are dying of everything else so all is well.
How do you think covid levels got this low in the first place by magic ?
No though doing what we did and will have to continue to do for sometime. We could now be seeing even lower cases but we never hit this hard enough even now it's debatable if we ever will.
Has it's been pointed out time and time again the sats and the deaths are only part of.
You can continue to believe what you like , read all the "studies" / listen to the "experts" you want. Or you can try to get even a simple truly informed view point and see that covid , measures that need taking mean this is not the flu and it's not a simple you get it and it go's after a a day or two. Or you get it bad and die but only with your old or at risk.
Sadly I think we will going round and round yet again

 

[icowden]

Compare and contrast with anything you can find on https://www.gov.uk/coronavirus

Let's face it. I've been to Alton Towers and Legoland in the last week. People can't even manage the concept of a spot painted on the floor to show them how close they should be to the next person.

Many were also embacing the "look kids - a lego crocodile - just because there's a global pandemic, doesn't mean you shouldn't ignore the "DO NOT CLIMB ON LEGO" signs and crawl all over it - go on see what viruses and bacteria you can pick up!".

On the plus side I developed a good glaring technique.

 

[Tanis8472]

All this is doing is yet again highlighting just how out of date the whole school and exams system is. A system that still fails 1000's every year that still see's 1000's leave without even being able to read or write. With our prisons acting as grave yard for many who the the system spat out along the way. Why we are still defining and branding young people based on a bit of paper ? Which in the end shows is how good you happened to be on the day. Sadly no government or party has the balls to really change education so it leaves no one behind or going though life believing they are a failure and too thick to give education another chance.

Come off it, that would require spending money, something this party has been spectacularly bad at.

 

[srw]

I suspect those two words "and pneumonia" make a significant difference

I suspect that "flu" is also suspect and is often used as a shorthand for "respiratory disease". Are these medically certified causes or those reported by unqualified relatives?

(Edit) The official flu report doesn't talk about the figure cited.

https://assets.publishing.service.g...l_Influenza_report_06_August_2020_week_32.pdf

I'd quite like an official source, otherwise I'll chalk it up to "enthusiastic journalist misinterpreting data"

 

[Rusty Nails]

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/herd-immunity-is-still-key-in-the-fight-against-covid-19

I work in an area under special measures and one that not 5% of residents will take any notice of. The positive "cases" don't translate into poorly people, never mind hospital admissions. It's been over for months and now should go into flu territory as something we accept and live with before we kill any more people and ruin our childrens futures.

I meant "over" as something a hysterical reaction should no longer play a part in. And I don't expect it to ever go away, however I think flu is currently is taking more lives? So many people are not coming into hospital, as reflected not only in the NHS stats but also in the % increased deaths at home.

I take it these views are opinions based on views of medical experts and verifiable statistics rather than just the views of another bloke in the pub or office.

I think I remember that you work in the NHS. In what field, and are your views widely reflected across the medical profession? I genuinely want to know as sometimes I worry that I appear to be the only person who does not claim to have any real expertise or knowledge of how serious this thing currently is.

 

[kingrollo]

So cases are down and more people are dying of everything else so all is well.
How do you think covid levels got this low in the first place by magic ?
No though doing what we did and will have to continue to do for sometime. We could now be seeing even lower cases but we never hit this hard enough even now it's debatable if we ever will.
Has it's been pointed out time and time again the sats and the deaths are only part of.
You can continue to believe what you like , read all the "studies" / listen to the "experts" you want. Or you can try to get even a simple truly informed view point and see that covid , measures that need taking mean this is not the flu and it's not a simple you get it and it go's after a a day or two. Or you get it bad and die but only with your old or at risk.
Sadly I think we will going round and round yet again

Agreed - it just seems that those who said this is nothing to worry about back in Jan/Feb need to save face.

Goverments don't tank economies for no reason - that should tell you everything you need to know.

 

[kingrollo]

I take it these views are opinions based on views of medical experts and verifiable statistics rather than just the views of another bloke in the pub or office.

I think I remember that you work in the NHS. In what field, and are your views widely reflected across the medical profession? I genuinely want to know as sometimes I worry that I appear to be the only person who does not claim to have any real expertise or knowledge of how serious this thing currently is.

Sparky.

 

[vickster]

Sparky.

He’s a porter I think

 

[kingrollo]

I also work in a NHS hospital (non clinical role)
The hospital has been totally re organised into covid/non covid sites - and they think it will be at least 2 years before we can operate at pre covid levels.

One of the big concerns is how recovered covid patients will fare when they get another minor illness.
...and the strain that extra people are now permanently or very long term disabled....what treatment will they need ?

 

[tom73]

I also work in a NHS hospital (non clinical role)
The hospital has been totally re organised into covid/non covid sites - and they think it will be at least 2 years before we can operate at pre covid levels.

One of the big concerns is how recovered covid patients will fare when they get another minor illness.
...and the strain that extra people are now permanently or very long term disabled....what treatment will they need ?

All aspects of care will be different for some time to come. From Primary upwards some areas will be change for ever in the way they run and how we access them. The long term care/rehab of post covid is still open to question and will need some real planning as we learn more.
Even mild cases are being left with "long covid " needed ongoing care months after catching it. Again another unknown in need of planing.
One thing is clear it's going to need a lot more money and for some time to come.

 

[Rezillo]

I suspect that "flu" is also suspect and is often used as a shorthand for "respiratory disease". Are these medically certified causes or those reported by unqualified relatives?

(Edit) The official flu report doesn't talk about the figure cited.

https://assets.publishing.service.g...l_Influenza_report_06_August_2020_week_32.pdf

I'd quite like an official source, otherwise I'll chalk it up to "enthusiastic journalist misinterpreting data"

Quite.

"In week 312020, out of the 211 respiratory specimens reported through the Respiratory DataMart System, no sample tested positive for influenza".

then in the next para, 161 of 229 respiratory outbreaks were found to be covid-19.

In the linked syndromic surveillance figures, there is:

"During week 31, GP out of hours contacts for respiratory indicators (including acute respiratory infection and influenza-like illness) remained stable and at or below seasonally expected levels".

"During week 31, there were further small increases in NHS 111 calls for cold/flu. There were also increases in cough calls in children aged <1 and 1-4 years, however these remain below seasonally expected levels".

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

Now, I'm no virulog... epidemio... sickness scientist but do large rises in Germany, France and Spain herald a second wave? If so, are we going to be a few weeks behind them?

 

[kingrollo]

Now, I'm no virulog... epidemio... sickness scientist but do large rises in Germany, France and Spain herald a second wave? If so, are we going to be a few weeks behind them?

Stands a good chance IMO.

The constant with this virus - is that the worse case scenario keeps happening.... remember when we all thought it wouldn't get of China...