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classic33

Leg End Member
That's exactly the reason why neither I, nor anyone I drink with, is prepared to submit our contact details to the government when going out for a beer. That's our decision based on the fact none of us fancy being told what to do on a crude, non-targeted, blunderbuss basis without even proving that we actually have the virus and are carriers. If they want to give me a virus test, and then pay me my full wages for two weeks if I test positive and they want me to isolate, that's fair enough and I would have no issue with cooperating.

What they have implemented though, is a crude "you might have come into contact with someone who has the virus, so we want you to stay home for two weeks and not be able to earn a living or go about your business, and BTW you have to bear the cost" regime.
I'm not at all impressed how track & trace is being done. If someone in my local comes down with the virus, the logical thing would be to send out the testers to visit the pub and offer all the regulars an on the spot test - and guarantee that anyone testing positive would get 100% of their regular wages paid if asked to isolate. That would work as no-one would be any worse off by co-operating. The system they have got, you are personally better off staying anonymous and refusing to give the government any information, which undermines the effectiveness of the tracing scheme.
Suppose you were in a building where there'd been a case of food poisoning, or Weils Disease. The owners tried to contact everyone who was present, but you having refused to give your details/gave false details couldn't be contacted to be treated. Who would you blame?
 

SkipdiverJohn

Deplorable Brexiteer
Location
London
If I get food poisoning or Weil's disease I'll soon know all about it myself, as both of those conditions have obvious symptoms. I won't need anyone to tell me I've caught something nasty. Neither are spread by airborne transmission either. You need to eat something dodgy, or the Weil's infection has to enter via skin cut or mucus membranes.
 

classic33

Leg End Member
If I get food poisoning or Weil's disease I'll soon know all about it myself, as both of those conditions have obvious symptoms. I won't need anyone to tell me I've caught something nasty. Neither are spread by airborne transmission either. You need to eat something dodgy, or the Weil's infection has to enter via skin cut or mucus membranes.
For the purpose of contact details, how something is transmitted isn't relevant.

What is, is that contact can be made to inform you. In the case of Weil's Disease, the earlier it's tested for the better your chances. An easy way of catching it is by drinking from "dirty" bottles or cans. Bottles being popular in some pubs.
 

classic33

Leg End Member
If I get food poisoning or Weil's disease I'll soon know all about it myself, as both of those conditions have obvious symptoms. I won't need anyone to tell me I've caught something nasty. Neither are spread by airborne transmission either. You need to eat something dodgy, or the Weil's infection has to enter via skin cut or mucus membranes.
For the purpose of contact details, how something is transmitted isn't relevant.

What is, is that contact can be made to inform you. In the case of Weil's Disease, the earlier it's tested for the better your chances. An easy way of catching it is by drinking from "dirty" bottles or cans. Bottles being popular in some pubs.

Who would you blame if they couldn't contact you was the question though.
 

SkipdiverJohn

Deplorable Brexiteer
Location
London
In the case of Weil's Disease, the earlier it's tested for the better your chances. An easy way of catching it is by drinking from "dirty" bottles or cans. Bottles being popular in some pubs.

I'm very familiar with Weil's disease, as I come into contact with potential sources of infection regularly. In fact I take it a lot more seriously than the coronavirus.
As an ale drinker, I don't touch bottles in pubs. Anything I consume comes out of a handpump or even directly out of the barrel via gravity.
 

Julia9054

Guru
Location
Knaresborough
On the 10 day isolation thingy, if I start with symptoms, begin my Isolation and test negative, can I go back to work or do I have to stay off for the full 10 days just in case
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
On the 10 day isolation thingy, if I start with symptoms, begin my Isolation and test negative, can I go back to work or do I have to stay off for the full 10 days just in case
In other countries, you'd need two negative tests in a row.

No idea what the UK does. So I know as much as a govt minister.
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
So why is Matt HanCOCK wearing a badge with NHS on the flag of just-added-to-quarantine Luxembourg? Troll?
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Julia9054

Guru
Location
Knaresborough
In other countries, you'd need two negative tests in a row.

No idea what the UK does. So I know as much as a govt minister.
Just thinking about school in September. Boring viruses such as colds are rife in schools. Teachers - particularly shiny new ones and ones new to the area - get them all the time. In my department of 16, I would say there are probably minimum 3 people with a cold at any given time. Imagine trying to staff a school with that number of people off for 10 days each time.
 

PK99

Legendary Member
Location
SW19
Just thinking about school in September. Boring viruses such as colds are rife in schools. Teachers - particularly shiny new ones and ones new to the area - get them all the time. In my department of 16, I would say there are probably minimum 3 people with a cold at any given time. Imagine trying to staff a school with that number of people off for 10 days each time.

This topic is addressed here:

https://www.pasteur.fr/en/press-are...transmission-among-children-students-teachers

and here

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7268273/

and here

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/18/health/coronavirus-children-schools.html
 
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marinyork

Resting in suspended Animation
Location
Logopolis
In other countries, you'd need two negative tests in a row.

No idea what the UK does. So I know as much as a govt minister.

Full ten days. No exceptions.

There was an academic report out this week modelling options. It was rumoured the govt may plump for test on day 7, release on day 8 if negative and this would catch 94% of cases. It has been argued about elsewhere but double tests on day 1 and day 5 and release on day six would catch 88% of cases. It should be the model used for medium risk contacts who are second nodes. Also imho for SOME places not on the air corridor.
 

tom73

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
On the 10 day isolation thingy, if I start with symptoms, begin my Isolation and test negative, can I go back to work or do I have to stay off for the full 10 days just in case
I believe you'd still need to do the 10 day's one test is not a full guarantee your clear.
 
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