Coronavirus outbreak

[marinyork]

What puzzles me is that the FO have still not declared it a no go area. So anyone with a holiday booked in that area can just kiss goodbye to X£1000s.

It's horrid and due to the slow reporting I wonder about people stuck and consequences.

The British media were very slow to report it. Maybe also reflects that.

Strictly speaking what the Guardian eventually wrote up late last night was partially correct, it was a provisional decree, however the commentary on italian tv was this is was drafted hours ago, we are seeing movements and it's being discussed right now and might be signed any second. Dozens of italian news sources and web had it plastered all over the place.

I think when it was eventually being reported sky and the guardian focussed on lombardia so maybe thought well there have already been lockdowns there, meh a big deal but not that interesting. The decrees always included the other areas, but they were not being reported. Fab foodie's guardian article nicely written up two hours ago now includes most (but not all) of the detail.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Radio 5 this morning.

Presenter: Are you stockpiling
Theresa Villiers: No, but I have bought extra paracetamol

 

[Grant Fondo]

Why is the government leaving containment so late? 82,000 at Twickenham and hundreds of thousands at the footy yesterday/today.
Bizarre.

 

[Jimidh]

Chill out, they are still very unlikely to have passed anything onto you unless you are in very close contact with them. Family and work mates are the real danger, and tadgers in general who won't wash their hands. I hope that your neighbor's recover quickly.

I am chilled out. I don’t know them directly but I do know their friends. So fairly slim chance of catching it from them.

I have more chance of catching it at work as I work in a busy pharmacy and if their is a more widespread outbreak them it’s inevitable that we will be in contact with infectious patients.

At work we are just doubling up on the cleaning of counters, having pens etc just for patient’s use and plenty of soap and water.

We are just planning ahead for our more vulnerable patients who have their medication delivered weekly in dosette boxes so that we are in the position that if our drivers start to fall then we can arrange to get a months supply delivered in one go to see them over the period where deliveries might be problematic.

A few weeks ago we had identified a supply chain risk and ordered bulk supplies of our 400 most commonly dispensed items. This has proven to have been a smart move as the Indian Government has but export restrictions on a number of generic drugs and there are now shortages and price rises in a large number of products.

My main worry though is that we are supposed to be flying off to Rome for a family holiday at Easter so I’m keeping a watchful eye on events there.

 

[midlife]

Official advice here is to self-quarantine for two weeks from the time of returning if you've been to northern Italy. Whether you have symptoms or not. Just saying...

where are you ?

 

[Slick]

I am chilled out. I don’t know them directly but I do know their friends. So fairly slim chance of catching it from them.

I have more chance of catching it at work as I work in a busy pharmacy and if their is a more widespread outbreak them it’s inevitable that we will be in contact with infectious patients.

At work we are just doubling up on the cleaning of counters, having pens etc just for patient’s use and plenty of soap and water.

We are just planning ahead for our more vulnerable patients who have their medication delivered weekly in dosette boxes so that we are in the position that if our drivers start to fall then we can arrange to get a months supply delivered in one go to see them over the period where deliveries might be problematic.

A few weeks ago we had identified a supply chain risk and ordered bulk supplies of our 400 most commonly dispensed items. This has proven to have been a smart move as the Indian Government has but export restrictions on a number of generic drugs and there are now shortages and price rises in a large number of products.

My main worry though is that we are supposed to be flying off to Rome for a family holiday at Easter so I’m keeping a watchful eye on events there.

All sensible stuff but I'm not sure I'd be heading to Rome any time soon.

 

[RoadRider400]

My neighbours, both in late 60s are heading off tomorrow on a 3 week cruise.
It was due to go to India, Sri Lankan and SE Asia. But it’s ow doing Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Oman, and various stops in India.
They were offered a full refund but decided to go anyway.
Not sure I would have gone. The risk of being stuck on a quarantined boat is too high.
I wonder what they will return to?

A life of floating around from port to port because nobody will allow them to dock.

 

[Dave7]

All sensible stuff but I'm not sure I'd be heading to Rome any time soon.

My SiL's family are shortly due to go to Rome for a long weekend. As things are I would just accept the loss and give it a miss

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

Overheard in Tesco this morning from a scruffy looking young lassie to her boyfriend standing by the empty shelves:

"tut, if you're gonnae get it, you're gonnae get it. Whit's soap gonnae dae?"

 

[Slick]

Overheard in Tesco this morning from a scruffy looking young lassie to her boyfriend standing by the empty shelves:

"tut, if you're gonnae get it, you're gonnae get it. Whit's soap gonnae dae?"

I had no idea you were from Shettleston.

 

[RecordAceFromNew]

Why is the government leaving containment so late? 82,000 at Twickenham and hundreds of thousands at the footy yesterday/today.
Bizarre.

I entirely agree with you. 82,000 at Twickenham is nothing, when you see the packed tube trains, buses etc.

Given the growth characteristic of these things, for every day's delay, the magnitude of the problem is increased by c25% from the day before - it is an exponential growth. If you want to see how it looks, look up graphs at Wikipedia for Italy and UK. I believe we are about 10 to 14 days behind Italy, and there is nothing I can see that is stopping our progression up the curve.

Talking about tube trains, regarding masks, the UK government is practically discouraging people to wear it, while their use at places like HK is essentially universal, encouraged by the government, and certainly by social pressure. The two different sets of advice can't both be right. I think we are wrong. For a start, infection has been pretty much stopped in its track in HK, and indeed Macau.

 

[Pat "5mph"]

My main worry though is that we are supposed to be flying off to Rome for a family holiday at Easter so I’m keeping a watchful eye on events there.

I don't think you'll be allowed: I was reading the latest from Italy in the Italian papers/facebook.
Lots of folks have left the areas now on lock down, just before the lock down became effective.
They were heading to Rome and the South.
Further contagion seems inevitable.
I have family and friends in Rome, will post updates.

 

[Stephenite]

where are you ?

Norway.

 

[marinyork]

I don't think you'll be allowed: I was reading the latest from Italy in the Italian papers/facebook.
Lots of folks have left the areas now on lock down, just before the lock down became effective.
They were heading to Rome and the South.
Further contagion seems inevitable.
I have family and friends in Rome, will post updates.

Yep.

In the 11 provinces outside lombardia (which covers a gigantic area) it isn't just the province that is restricted but in some cases even leaving your commune. So no leaving the town/city...

Supermarkets closed at weekends. Bars open till 6pm.

There are a lot of provinces as of yesterday officially with no coronavirus cases. But a number in neighbouring provinces. Seems unlikely it will stay that way for longer than a day or two.

 

[Jimidh]

I don't think you'll be allowed: I was reading the latest from Italy in the Italian papers/facebook.
Lots of folks have left the areas now on lock down, just before the lock down became effective.
They were heading to Rome and the South.
Further contagion seems inevitable.
I have family and friends in Rome, will post updates.

It would be good if someone made a decision - flights are already paid so if the government banned travel then we could get a refund.
It must be a nightmare for all the hoteliers and restaurant owners and their staff in these areas who will be relying on tourist business for their liveliehood.