Coronavirus outbreak

[mjr]

The preferred solution for the Government has always been herd immunity, [...]

On that note, news from Belgium: "Herd Immunity Is Still Only A Far-Away Dream" as they've tested blood donations and under 5% have c19 antibodies: https://www.lavenir.net/cnt/dmf2020...lective-n-est-encore-qu-un-reve-tres-lointain

There are several possible explanations, several of which are scary.

 

[marinyork]

Yesterday at press conference it was announced 6.78% of the UK population are antibody positive.

 

[raleighnut]

Yesterday at press conference it was announced 6.78% of the UK population are antibody positive.

Yep we all need to do our patriotic duty and catch Covid 19 now that BoJo the clown has had it, come on lets face it if the immunity only lasts 6 months he's terrified he might get it again for Christmas.

 

[tom73]

All the talk today i've been hearing is all about ''oh can't wait for thing to get back to normal" and life post lock down.
Had a guy on the radio this morning saying mixed messages are dentist are allowed to open but not hairdressers. Your in closer contact with the dentist was his over all argument. The fact that the dentist is a clinical environment and can with extra PPE , and different working conditions control the risk to you , the staff and the guy next in after you. Was totally lost on him never mind the next changers coming on Monday we already seen the weekends are being out the loon on mass now it's just going to be even worse and less controlled. All the talk of the last clap for cares yes it did at time get silly and a bit oh look at me. But talking about being right time to end as it's done want it needed to ect. Is not helping the care still go's on and will go on with covid still around. Care will not being going back to normal anytime soon either.

The virus is not going away any time soon once the pubs "officially" open that's it game over and something will return to normal the high death count for one. The tone and frankness of Valance and Witty , the latter particularly was clear things are on a knife edge they don't sound too much in rush to open things up. So It's going to interesting if the government say we are guided by the science or just want to get the tax money rolling in. Which speed they really start to pick. Many of us have put up with and gone out of our way to do the right thing and keep everyone safe. Many have worked bloody hard to keep everyone safe often at great risk many have died doing it. We are in danger of it all going to waste and i'm not going to be the only unhappy bunny.

 

[mjr]

The view from my window on the A10 makes me think most people are now pretty much ignoring even the law, let alone the guidelines, and doing what they think best.

The sensible ones doing stuff like meeting up in groups outside and keeping their distance (which Boris has now belatedly legalised) and basically following WHO advice rather than gov.uk/mixed-messages will probably be OK, while the mistaken fools doing stuff like having lockdown parties indoors and BBQs are going to be the bulk of kickstarting a second wave, putting my relatives and friends in harm's way again.

Also, I had hoped to go to the coast and see the sea for the first time this year, before the madness of the next unlocking phase hit next week, but that now seems like a very bad idea so I'll be riding out across the empty fens again this weekend.

Better government would have saved more of the fools from themselves. Yes, @tom73, I'm a very unhappy bunny too!

 

[roubaixtuesday]

All the talk today i've been hearing is all about ''oh can't wait for thing to get back to normal" and life post lock down.
Had a guy on the radio this morning saying mixed messages are dentist are allowed to open but not hairdressers. Your in closer contact with the dentist was his over all argument. The fact that the dentist is a clinical environment and can with extra PPE , and different working conditions control the risk to you , the staff and the guy next in after you. Was totally lost on him never mind the next changers coming on Monday we already seen the weekends are being out the loon on mass now it's just going to be even worse and less controlled. All the talk of the last clap for cares yes it did at time get silly and a bit oh look at me. But talking about being right time to end as it's done want it needed to ect. Is not helping the care still go's on and will go on with covid still around. Care will not being going back to normal anytime soon either.

The virus is not going away any time soon once the pubs "officially" open that's it game over and something will return to normal the high death count for one. The tone and frankness of Valance and Witty , the latter particularly was clear things are on a knife edge they don't sound too much in rush to open things up. So It's going to interesting if the government say we are guided by the science or just want to get the tax money rolling in. Which speed they really start to pick. Many of us have put up with and gone out of our way to do the right thing and keep everyone safe. Many have worked bloody hard to keep everyone safe often at great risk many have died doing it. We are in danger of it all going to waste and i'm not going to be the only unhappy bunny.

Indeed. If you look at all the other countries in Europe relaxing restrictions, they have far lower infection rates than us. Except Sweden. Go figure.

From our world in data.

 

[tom73]

Following on from the 100+ party and fighting last weekend. Looks like we now need stewards to marshal crowds in the countyside
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-52846310
Not to worry good old British common sense will see us though.

 

[Milzy]

Following on from the 100+ party and fighting last weekend. Looks like we now need stewards to marshal crowds in the countyside
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-52846310
Not to worry good old British common sense will see us though.

People were scared at first. Now they're not. I feel sorry for the elderly and people with existing conditions but it's those who need to be careful. If it was such a deadly virus we'd all still be in lock down.

 

[midlife]

I'd call 60,000 excess deaths quite deadly IMHO.....

 

[tom73]

I'd call 60,000 excess deaths quite deadly IMHO.....

Plus we still don't know what the longer term effects are on one who recover some are still having bad after effects weeks later.

 

[mjr]

People were scared at first. Now they're not. I feel sorry for the elderly and people with existing conditions but it's those who need to be careful. If it was such a deadly virus we'd all still be in lock down.

How, without a competent government setting an example and - more importantly - regulations that the police can actually enforce?

And are we really back to the myth that it only kills the old and ill?

 

[tom73]

It looks like even the government is now ignoring it's own made up virus threat level. Which we got told had to fall to open up even more part's of lock down. It's not moved but the lockdown is still on the move. Now they've moved from following the science to listening to science . You can't change the R number just because you don't like what you see and you can't stop being guided by science just because you don't like what it means. This is a virus it won't care if you just forget about it and move on to next big thing. It's not like the latest in thing. It's will just go on killing people you can't offend it's feelings. This is a public health issues science both clinical and social are the only way out of this.
Fobbing off both is a passport to much worse and even more long term damage.

 

[marinyork]

Lockdown fatigue has happened.

Media boredom has happened. The public can only put up with so many weeks/months of virus/war/famine/earthquake/wildfires before tuning out. The media themselves kind of lose interest after a few weeks to. How many people here remember swine flu? How many remember there was a second wave? For the second wave of this a new public information message will be needed.

 

[Rocky]

This is a tweet from a consultant at Barts and the London

I hope Boris and Hancock read this.......this is far from over.

 

[Slick]

This is a tweet from a consultant at Barts and the London

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I hope Boris and Hancock read this.......this is far from over.

There's more than that pair that need to read that.