Coronavirus outbreak

[PK99]

Picking holes in plans is all well and good. But faced with a dynamic and uncertain situation there are bound to be difficulties and uncertainties. And changes to plans and proposals.

Fact is, we have to get out of lockdown. Naysaying kibitsing contributes nothing to the solution.

 

[newfhouse]

Picking holes in plans is all well and good.

Yes. It’s what the planners should have done before dribbling out their plans to the public.

 

[marinyork]

Picking holes in plans is all well and good. But faced with a dynamic and uncertain situation there are bound to be difficulties and uncertainties. And changes to plans and proposals.

Fact is, we have to get out of lockdown. Naysaying kibitsing contributes nothing to the solution.

Just as well you think the public can't understand very simple messages, I'm sure that helps.

 

[kingrollo]

Picking holes in plans is all well and good. But faced with a dynamic and uncertain situation there are bound to be difficulties and uncertainties. And changes to plans and proposals.

Fact is, we have to get out of lockdown. Naysaying kibitsing contributes nothing to the solution.

True there are no easy answers. However if people the govt has got something wrong or could have done better - then I think speaking out should be actively encouraged - the stakes could not be higher.

I think even Johnson would admit that his broadcast Sunday evening wasn't his finest hour - even the very basics like return to Monday wasn't correct - Rabb said Wednesday the following morning.
He should have waited 24 hours and made that address after the document was released.

 

[PK99]

Yes. It’s what the planners should have done before dribbling out their plans to the public.

No battle plan survives first contact.

 

[Rocky]

I’m increasingly upset at the ‘it’s common sense’ approach. This puts the blame onto the victim. If I catch Covid and, heaven forbid, die, it’s my fault because I didn’t demonstrate common sense and wasn’t alert enough.

 

[PK99]

We are all cyclists.

Cycling involves exposure to major hazards potentially resulting in injury or death every time we get on our bikes:
Collisions with other traffic.
Pedestrians.
Mechanical failures
Potholes
etc

The only way of being a completely safe cyclist is to lock up and never ride your bike.

Yet we do get on our bikes and ride.

How do we stay acceptably safe?

We STAY ALERT to the hazards, and in doing so minimise our probability of having an accident and thereby keep our risk to an acceptable level.

 

[tom73]

@MarkF Good for you
@Brompton Bruce has already explained that it's not that simple and we are losing health workers.
We don't have this magic front line that Covid won't pass. Or staff away from ICU or hot areas just waiting around as some are starting to believe and promote. That are seen as less worthily of funding or recognition which i've already tried to explain in detail on here already.
Most of the deaths are not on the "front line" but so called low risk. Areas that you won't have contact with as most are well away from hospital. The 1st nurse death for example via Covid worked in community mental health service.
Sadly we too have lost HCP's we both know due to Covid.Both fit and well and worked in "low risk"
We have one "NHS" and one "front line"

 

[newfhouse]

No battle plan survives first contact.

True, but there’s no enemy trying to outwit us here.

 

[newfhouse]

I’m increasingly upset at the ‘it’s common sense’ approach.

Not just common sense, good solid British common sense.

 

[tom73]

I have a question for anyone who is happy with the stay alert idea.
Do you personally "stay alert" to other highly infectious diseases which are still around and have not gone away or just this one?

 

[PK99]

True, but there’s no enemy trying to outwit us here.

Not a sentient enmy but a devious one none the less:

https://www.france24.com/en/20200420-what-we-know-about-the-devious-coronavirus

 

[marinyork]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-52629213

Wuhan talks of testing entire population to battle the, so far small, second wave.

 

[Rocky]

I have a question for anyone who is happy with the stay alert idea.
Do you personally "stay alert" to other highly infectious diseases which are still around and have not gone away or just this one?

If it's all down to good solid British common sense of the public, then there is no role for the government in this. We don't need centrally run, effective, testing. We don't need any public health guidance. We don't need centrally procured PPE. We certainly don't need a vaccine. The British public can be trusted and the government doesn't need to offer any further advice to citizens or employers.

 

[Rocky]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-52629213

Wuhan talks of testing entire population to battle the, so far small, second wave.

I'd settle for getting the results back from my first test, which was only (!) 10 days ago.........still not heard anything.