Coronavirus outbreak

[tom73]

Well that'll leave my mrs unable to work then. She's shielding and has job as passenger assistant for special needs kids.

Yep that's my take on it too

 

[kingrollo]

Hospital perspective. I spend maybe 3 hours a day moving Covid+ patients, many other staff spend their entire shift dealing with them. We are not dropping like flies, I am 57 fit & healthy and do not fear it. Entire wards are full of positive confirmed patients chatting to their neighbours and waiting to be sent home. I can think of 3 wards (old, ill, fat folk) where it must be like hell, but there are about 40 wards.

Tbh your track record on this isn't great though is it.
Back in February you told us all that none of the doctors you spoke to were concerned about Coronavirus - and that the NHS had a plan and could cope.

32000 deaths (admiittley not NHS deaths) later and your now telling us that NHS staff don't fear covid 19.

 

[randynewmanscat]

Meanwhile in Glasgow: I saw a barber open today!

I was with one of my neighbours for the first time in nearly two months. She was joking about the palava at the coiffure today, she told me that the hairdresser was wearing mask and visor but the visor kept steaming up, obviously the first or second job with the new precautions. My neighbour told her to wash the visor with a splash of detergent in the water and happy days followed.
These are perilous times for social conventions and asking you if you have been on your holidays yet will surely not be heard for a while.

 

[tom73]

Workplace guidelines now available
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/working-safely-during-coronavirus-covid-19

 

[randynewmanscat]

but turns out to be thin

The aspect ratio on your TV is set correctly? I think you mean thin in another way though.

 

[MarkF]

Education guidelines some are still to follow.
Max class size set at 15 primary desks should be spaced as far apart as possible. Secondary schools and colleges distance is set at 2m.
Vulnerable children and children of critical workers have to be taught in separate year groups.
PPE not required unless already used such as care of spacial needs. Can be used if child get's ill but only if 2m can't be done and only for possible covid
Any child that get ill with covid/possible must be sent home and family isolates. Test's available for other children in school but only if showing signs.

Do the dropets expire at 2m or summat?

Tbh your track record on this isn't great though is it.
Back in February you told us all that none of the doctors you spoke to were concerned about Coronavirus - and that the NHS had a plan and could cope.

32000 deaths (admiittley not NHS deaths) later and your now telling us that NHS staff don't fear covid 19.

The NHS did have plan and it did cope, easily. That plan would have been in place for "anything".

I did not say NHS staff do not fear Covid-19, l said that l do not, not that I've heard anybody else say they fear it or react on that.

I think your doom gladen long term postings will prove to be wrong. We'll see.

 

[kingrollo]

Do the dropets expire at 2m or summat?


The NHS did have plan and it did cope, easily. That plan would have been in place for "anything".

I did not say NHS staff do not fear Covid-19, l said that l do not, not that I've heard anybody else say they fear it or react on that.

I think your doom gladen long term postings will prove to be wrong. We'll see.

I think you said we'll see back in February as well.

 

[marinyork]

Do the dropets expire at 2m or summat?

The UK government (Vallance) believes there's between 10 times and 30 times less risk at 2 m than 1 metre. The difference coming down to the make up of droplet size, whether transmission is droplet only or droplet with a lot of aerosol behaviour, and a few other factors many of which are hard to model.

 

[mjr]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDTvLldOgZs

 

[Rocky]

Hospital perspective. I spend maybe 3 hours a day moving Covid+ patients, many other staff spend their entire shift dealing with them. We are not dropping like flies, I am 57 fit & healthy and do not fear it. Entire wards are full of positive confirmed patients chatting to their neighbours and waiting to be sent home. I can think of 3 wards (old, ill, fat folk) where it must be like hell, but there are about 40 wards.

As of today at least 205 health care workers have died of Covid. See: nursingnotes.com

I am pleased you are fit and healthy and do not fear getting the infection. My wife has two HCP friends who have died of Covid. We know others who have spent time in ICU and even 4 weeks after discharge are unable to go back to work due to post-viral tiredness. Two of these are younger than you and both were audax cyclists. They used to ride 300 mile events. They are currently struggling to cycle round the block.

Your experience is valid for you. It is not the experience of others.

 

[Tanis8472]

Workplace guidelines now available
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/working-safely-during-coronavirus-covid-19

3.3 Social distancing in vehicles
Objective: To maintain social distancing wherever possible between individuals when in vehicles:

• avoid multiple occupancy vehicles where safe to do so
• vehicles should not be shared if possible
• if it is not possible to keep a 2m distance in a vehicle, consider additional safety measures

Steps that will usually be needed:

1. Devising mitigation measures where workers have no alternative but to work within 2m to minimise the risk of transmission, including:
   
   – clear signage to outline social distancing measures in place
   – single person or contactless refuelling where possible
   – using physical screening, provided this does not compromise safety, for example, through reducing visibility
   – sitting side-by-side not face-to-face and increasing ventilation where possible
2. Using a fixed pairing system if people have to work in close proximity, for example in a vehicle.
3. Making sure vehicles are well-ventilated to increase the flow of air, for example, by opening a window.
4. Ensure regular cleaning of vehicles, in particular between different users.

They will probably have great difficulty as these kids don't 'do' rules like you or I.
Also knowing how well some of the drivers keep the vehicle clean would be very concerning.

 

[kingrollo]

As of today at least 205 health care workers have died of Covid. See: nursingnotes.com

I am pleased you are fit and healthy and do not fear getting the infection. My wife has two HCP friends who have died of Covid. We know others who have spent time in ICU and even 4 weeks after discharge are unable to go back to work due to post-viral tiredness. Two of these are younger than you and both were audax cyclists. They used to ride 300 mile events. They are currently struggling to cycle round the block.

Your experience is valid for you. It is not the experience of others.

What ever happened to that Blond haired fella - who went around shaking covid patients hands because he didn't fear the virus ?

Oh yeah - he almost died from it.

 

[Venod]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDTvLldOgZs

Johnny Nash is one confused individual'

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FscIgtDJFXg

 

[tom73]

3.3 Social distancing in vehicles
Objective: To maintain social distancing wherever possible between individuals when in vehicles:

• avoid multiple occupancy vehicles where safe to do so
• vehicles should not be shared if possible
• if it is not possible to keep a 2m distance in a vehicle, consider additional safety measures

Steps that will usually be needed:

1. Devising mitigation measures where workers have no alternative but to work within 2m to minimise the risk of transmission, including:
   
   – clear signage to outline social distancing measures in place
   – single person or contactless refuelling where possible
   – using physical screening, provided this does not compromise safety, for example, through reducing visibility
   – sitting side-by-side not face-to-face and increasing ventilation where possible
2. Using a fixed pairing system if people have to work in close proximity, for example in a vehicle.
3. Making sure vehicles are well-ventilated to increase the flow of air, for example, by opening a window.
4. Ensure regular cleaning of vehicles, in particular between different users.

They will probably have great difficulty as these kids don't 'do' rules like you or I.
Also knowing how well some of the drivers keep the vehicle clean would be very concerning.

Yes a real mess I know what you mean we've drivers and students like that. We also have a number of cars for small pick up's as some can't cope in the back of bus. They will need a rethink for some we use taxi's if they are running with less drivers then some can't simply get into school. No word on attendance orders if they can't get public transport , we can't provide any and legally are entitled. They can't really enforce them. We then have special needs transport which in many areas is thin on the ground as is. Take away even more capacity , add in turn around time it's going to take most of the school day to get them in the building never mind anything else.

 

[screenman]

I have it from a reliable source that Lincolnshire has need for 400 taxi's for school kids in normal times, now of course these vehicles do far more each day than just two transfers, will the need cleaning after each job? I did doubt the numbers then realized there are three kids in our street that use separate taxi's.