Coronavirus outbreak

[tom73]

Mrs 73 friends husband has been put on a ventilator with Covid he’s got underlaying medical conditions.
They both have learning disabilities so she doesn’t understand what the hospital are telling her.
Mrs 73 is having to explain the drugs they are giving him won’t cure him.
It‘s pretty grim set of messages she’s having to send
On the plus side his stats are good and holding up.

 

[mjr]

Belgium's unlockdown plan: B2B and masked public transport from 4 May, shops from 11 May, schools, family visits and day trips from 18 May. No word yet AFAICT for hotels, cafés and restaurants, among others, or non-essential border crossings.

 

[slowmotion]

The list said suspect or know. There are other things on there I didn't put on or details not gone into.

Some forms of pollution could literally be spreading it, having a free ride said elsewhere or staying in the air longer. It could be both.

The definitive answer to that either if it ever comes is probably going to advance human understanding in some useful way.

I thought that the airborne pollution angle was that people who live in polluted environments tend to suffer more from respiratory problems, and those type of problems tend to lead to serious Covid-19 consequences.

 

[kingrollo]

I thought that the airborne pollution angle was that people who live in polluted environments tend to suffer more from respiratory problems, and those type of problems tend to lead to serious Covid-19 consequences.

That's the more hopeful prognosis. The other theory is that the virus clings to pollution particles - thus spreading via airborne particles.

 

[johnblack]

Sorry if alreay posted. Interesting article in the FT about excess death rates which is possibly the best way to get an idea of the scale of the issue as deaths related to Covid are reported in many different ways across the world. https://www.ft.com/content/6bd88b7d-3386-4543-b2e9-0d5c6fac846c

Excess deaths compared to previous years in England and Wales are lower than Italy, Spain , Belgium and Holland, slightly higher than France. the second table comparing cities shows some even more frightening increases.

 

[tom73]

Greggs plans to reopen
"We want to play our part in getting the nation back up and running again"
Covid roll anyone ?

 

[SpokeyDokey]

Complete idiot here:

Coronavirus Isle of Man: Dog walker fined £1,000 for picking up his girlfriend

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-isle-of-man-52427068

 

[slowmotion]

That's the more hopeful prognosis. The other theory is that the virus clings to pollution particles - thus spreading via airborne particles.

I suppose it could just be that more densely populated areas tend to have greater transmission rates and also tend to have greater levels of pollution.

 

[mjr]

On the one hand, I'd say that still well over 80% of the non-commuter traffic I've seen today (mostly from my window, but also while out exercising) has appeared to be commercial (lorries, works vans, and so on); but on the other hand, the car park at the local woods was well over half full and the people I saw getting out as I rode past had driven there to walk dogs. Is lockdown mostly being respected or not? Damned if I can tell!

 

[Adam4868]

A lot more businesses have opened today near me.I cut through a industrial estate on my morning ride and today even the burger vans were open.Last week it was screwfix and a couple of others.A lot more vehicles out today also.

 

[mjr]

Over in Paris, some people in the Butte-Montmartre area seem to have rebelled against the 10am-7pm curfew by dancing:

View: https://twitter.com/CocoChrist/status/1254125416421437440

Police were criticised for their soft approach when they've allegedly used tear-gas to break up groups in nearby Seine-Saint-Denis.

 

[Ming the Merciless]

I thought that the airborne pollution angle was that people who live in polluted environments tend to suffer more from respiratory problems, and those type of problems tend to lead to serious Covid-19 consequences.

It is, there is a scientific paper on this and there is a very strong correlation between levels of PM2.5 particles and severity of COVID 19 symptom and death rates. But this is pre lockdown pollution levels measured over years not current levels which are dramatically lower. They found no correlation between current levels and virus transmission or death rates.

 

[mjr]

It is, there is a scientific paper on this and there is a very strong correlation between levels of PM2.5 particles and severity of COVID 19 symptom and death rates. But this is pre lockdown pollution levels measured over years not current levels which are dramatically lower. They found no correlation between current levels and virus transmission or death rates.

What paper's that?

I think @kingrollo was talking about one of these:

"Our hypothesis is that the atmosphere, rich of air pollutants, together with certain climatic conditions may promote a longer permanence of the of viral particles in the air, thus favoring an “indirect” diffusion in addition to the direct"

"Atmospheric PM has a sub-layer that facilitates the virus survival in airflows for hours or days."

SARS-Cov-2 RNA Found on Particulate Matter of Bergamo in Northern Italy: First Preliminary Evidence

 

[Ming the Merciless]

What paper's that?

I think @kingrollo was talking about one of these:

"Our hypothesis is that the atmosphere, rich of air pollutants, together with certain climatic conditions may promote a longer permanence of the of viral particles in the air, thus favoring an “indirect” diffusion in addition to the direct"

"Atmospheric PM has a sub-layer that facilitates the virus survival in airflows for hours or days."

SARS-Cov-2 RNA Found on Particulate Matter of Bergamo in Northern Italy: First Preliminary Evidence

Go to the usual place they are published for review and sure you’ll find it. Published about two weeks ago from memory.

 

[tom73]

NHS rejects Apple/Google plan and ploughs on with it's own app it's own way.
Having seen an interview with the NHS lead on this he come across totally clueless I don't think this will end well.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52441428