The current situation has meant that the language of science such as Herd immunity has met the world of political language. Which leads to this being taken totally out of context in turn mediated by the press. With little idea of what they are even on about let alone any facts then add in the SM factor and before you know it everyone becomes an expert and the next John Snow.
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The current situation has meant that the language of science such as Herd immunity has met the world of political language. Which leads to this being taken totally out of context in turn mediated by the press. With little idea of what they are even on about let alone any facts then add in the SM factor and before you know it everyone becomes an expert and the next John Snow.
kingrollo
Guru
Wouldn't like to have his job at the moment. He seems to be Johnsons/Rabb/Hancock's scapegoat in waiting.
The government are supposed to have ran newer data and changed their minds. A similar thing happened with the most prestigious modelers or epidemics in the world where they re-ran with newer UK data and came out with a drastically different outcome.
It does have to be said that we still basically have a herd immunity problem. It's not gone away. It's just that the 1-peakers are losing the media battle.
Much earlier in the pandemic there was an enormous amount of abuse hurled Germany's way by Italy about their strategy, how everyone in Germany was going to die.
lane
Veteran
Maybe. But then the WHO and a lot of other Scientists (not Joe Public) took issue with his original advice at the time.
They'd have to very brave to do that once out on his ear he'd be free to reveal just how incompetent they have been. He's been in the same meetings as them and will have seen and heard everything.
I think the broad WHO mutterings in general take very little heed of how people in the western world actually behave.
The testing points by the WHO make are absolutely spot on. Unfortunately it's not a real world consideration. Even our government knows that they need more testing, they are just incapable of running a system and completely incompetent at overseeing a national system. Not one single piece of advice the WHO has ever given that I've heard is of any relevance to changing that.
That's how a lot of science works it's just that the current situation is so big a story. The disagreements are happening in public until this is all over no-one really knows what the right thing to do is.
I think the next big thing will be protests from the general public about the lock down and the impact it will have on the economy and jobs.
As the infection rate drops and deaths from it subside, there will be mounting pressure to ease restrictions, but the government will probably be reluctant to do this quickly just in case there's a second wave of this dreadful disease.
Its a balancing act the government will have to manage very carefully without causing widespread criticism
As the infection rate drops and deaths from it subside, there will be mounting pressure to ease restrictions, but the government will probably be reluctant to do this quickly just in case there's a second wave of this dreadful disease.
Its a balancing act the government will have to manage very carefully without causing widespread criticism
lane
Veteran
Seems the WHO are still not happy with the CMO and deputy CMO
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...e-ppe-whitty-jenny-harries-sage-a9474201.html
Dr Rupert Beale, head of the cell biology of infection lab at the Francis Crick Institute, added: “Agree completely. Next level incompetence bordering on malice. Time for wholesale resignations and a reordering of the so far pathetic UK response.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...e-ppe-whitty-jenny-harries-sage-a9474201.html
Dr Rupert Beale, head of the cell biology of infection lab at the Francis Crick Institute, added: “Agree completely. Next level incompetence bordering on malice. Time for wholesale resignations and a reordering of the so far pathetic UK response.”
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I'm time out on the competence/incompetence front - none of us know the full facts although there is an army of self-appointed experts who seem to think they do when they can't possibly know.
In an alternative scenario Whitty could well say how competent the Gov' were in the meetings he attended.
Time will tell in the same manner that the Chilcott enquiry did.
I think that there is a danger in injecting confirmation bias into possible future outcomes.
lane
Veteran
There is already less compliance. I think it won't be possible to keep things as they are for any further period of time after the next review date whatever the evidence may suggest.
- Location
- Somewhere wet & hilly in NW England.
I imagine that long knives are being sharpened everywhere.
Interesting that the attack is now at a level below that of the Government.
I should imagine that NHS senior management will be on the radar as well. The media etc are probably already digging.
Saddens me really, at the end of the day everyone is probably trying to do their best in unprecedented circumstances and we end up with a hysterical situation similar to the Salem Witch Hunt scenario.
There will be a time for reckoning and appropriate action but right now it is less than helpful
Mo1959
Legendary Member
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- Perthshire,Scotland
Yes. I’ve noticed a gradual increase in traffic and movement of people. I can‘t see the British public abiding by strict measures for much longer.
- Location
- Somewhere wet & hilly in NW England.
Starting to be noticeable in The Lakes too.
Beebo
Firm and Fruity
- Location
- Hexleybeef
When this current 3 week lockdown ends there will be a requirement to show us the exit route.
Another 3 weeks without explanation will be unacceptable to a large proportion of the population.
we need to know when schools are reopening, will we be able to visit relatives, can we return to work.
