Coronavirus outbreak

[winjim]

I think every single virologist in the world would disagree with you......it's called natural selection, that's why viruses are so effective. They mutate spontaneously.

It literally says it in the article, other viruses are glycosylated. They give the example of HIV. It's interesting in terms of understanding this specific virus, but it's not in and of itself anything new.

I am not a virologist.

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

Got proof? To me it sounds at least as plausible that the virus escaped from a lab where they were working on bat viruses than from the neighbouring fish market where they did not sell bats.

Don't look at me. It's not illegal to be a batfish!

 

[Rickshaw Phil]

Mod Note:

Can I remind everyone that there is a lot of bullshit on the internet and the mod team do not want CycleChat used to spread it.

If you are going to make a claim about the source of the virus it should be backed up by a reputable source. YouTube, Twitter and Facebook are not reputable sources.

Thanks.

 

[Stephenite]

In Norway, kindergartens to reopen 20th April and schools (pupils ages 5/6 to 10/11 years) to reopen 27th April. - I could add a link but it's easy enough to find.

The crisis has been handled very well since the initial crisis but, there's a balancing act between combating the virus and reducing collateral damage and this time I think they've got it wrong. The numbers are very good at the moment, with 101 deaths and 19 deaths per M head of pop., but there's a leaky border with Sweden with their 68 deaths per M. I think there was political pressure to come up with a plan before the leaders took their easter holiday.

 

[MarkF]

In at 6am, been a spike in figures but I forgot to take a note, will post them tomorrow. No change apart from all staff now wearing eye protection when around any patients, as well as masks and gloves.

The vast majority of confirmed critical cases seem to be of two categories, elderly people (75+) who were likely on their way soonish, for one reason or another. Then middle aged cases, it's very sad but every one of these I have seen, male or female, has been obese.

 

[Yellow Fang]

This article says the virus shows no sign of being genetically engineered and did not escape from a lab,
https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-not-human-made-in-lab.html

But that is not exactly what was being alleged. The species jump from bats to humans could have occurred by natural mutation in the laboratory, or when the researchers are out and about collecting them. To research bat viruses, it is useful to have diseased bats.

 

[Yellow Fang]

Mod Note:

Can I remind everyone that there is a lot of bullshit on the internet and the mod team do not want CycleChat used to spread it.

If you are going to make a claim about the source of the virus it should be backed up by a reputable source. YouTube, Twitter and Facebook are not reputable sources.

Thanks.

Is this a respectable enough source?
https://www.businessinsider.com/bor...ked-chinese-laboratory-covid-2020-4?r=US&IR=T
Or is The Guardian the only legitimate source on here?

 

[Johnno260]

Virus mutate it’s why they’re so effective at what they do.

I was lead to believe that anything that’s been modified by man leaves obvious markers.

We have been due a pandemic for a while, these things have happened throughout history, I find the natural selection theory more plausible.

People just like something to blame.

 

[Rocky]

Is this a respectable enough source?
https://www.businessinsider.com/bor...ked-chinese-laboratory-covid-2020-4?r=US&IR=T
Or is The Guardian the only legitimate source on here?

To quote from the article:

The UK government believes the novel coronavirus may have accidentally leaked from a laboratory in the Chinese city of Wuhan where scientists were researching viruses, according to a Mail on Sunday newspaper report.

Most experts believe the outbreak of the virus began with animals passing the disease to humans in or near a market in the Chinese city of Wuhan where live animals were sold.

The Mail on Sunday report, however, says that while officials in Prime Minister Boris Johnson's government believe this is still the most likely explanation, it is "no longer being discounted" that a leak from a nearby laboratory actually caused the outbreak.

I think that provides your answer about the legitimacy of this as a source (it is drawing on the Mail on Sunday)

 

[pawl]

Just seen Jet2 intends to start holiday flights again from June 1

Do they know something we don’t?
.

 

[Stephenite]

Is this a respectable enough source?
https://www.businessinsider.com/bor...ked-chinese-laboratory-covid-2020-4?r=US&IR=T
Or is The Guardian the only legitimate source on here?

No.

The article rehashes the Mail on Sunday article which is based upon nonsense. I know 9 year-olds with more common sense than you.

Edit: I'll rephrase - more net sense .

 

[winjim]

To quote from the article:

The UK government believes the novel coronavirus may have accidentally leaked from a laboratory in the Chinese city of Wuhan where scientists were researching viruses, according to a Mail on Sunday newspaper report.

Most experts believe the outbreak of the virus began with animals passing the disease to humans in or near a market in the Chinese city of Wuhan where live animals were sold.

The Mail on Sunday report, however, says that while officials in Prime Minister Boris Johnson's government believe this is still the most likely explanation, it is "no longer being discounted" that a leak from a nearby laboratory actually caused the outbreak.

I think that provides your answer about the legitimacy of this as a source (it is drawing on the Mail on Sunday)

No.

The article rehashes the Mail on Sunday article which is based upon nonsense. I know 9 year-olds with more common sense than you.

BI is one of those websites that sounds like it should be respectable, but really just regurgitates bullshit from other sources.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Just seen Jet2 intends to start holiday flights again from June 1

Do they know something we don’t?
.

Some posters like to think they do.

 

[Eziemnaik]

Just seen Jet2 intends to start holiday flights again from June 1

Do they know something we don’t?
.

Well from what I heard most the holiday airlines cancelled all flights till June.
TUI and other big operators are not selling dates untill June as well. Even if you use regular flights most of the hotels in the mediterranean are not opening till June
Plenty of places are already not planing to open this year at all.

Tui rep told me it is based on a guesstimate, basically they dont want to have a go again at millions of cancellation so playing it safe (in their opinion)

 

[roubaixtuesday]

To quote from the article:

The UK government believes the novel coronavirus may have accidentally leaked from a laboratory in the Chinese city of Wuhan where scientists were researching viruses, according to a Mail on Sunday newspaper report.

Most experts believe the outbreak of the virus began with animals passing the disease to humans in or near a market in the Chinese city of Wuhan where live animals were sold.

The Mail on Sunday report, however, says that while officials in Prime Minister Boris Johnson's government believe this is still the most likely explanation, it is "no longer being discounted" that a leak from a nearby laboratory actually caused the outbreak.

I think that provides your answer about the legitimacy of this as a source (it is drawing on the Mail on Sunday)

It's almost as though government sources want to leak nonsense to the Mail in order to stoke conspiracy theories as a way to deflect attention from government failures in handling the pandemic.