Johnno260
Guru
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- East Sussex
I know it was to be expected but, I have no words.
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I know it was to be expected but, I have no words.
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
News from Belgium: reduction in admissions and increase in discharges, factories being requisitioned to produce masks, customs prioritising checking mask imports closely, former hospitals being converted into isolation hotels for discharged patients, loss of smell/taste now estimated at 90% (pictured), surprise hypermarket strkes due to shortages of alcohol gel/spray and gloves, foreign news: Trump U-turn in US, the "tsunami" of cases in the UK and the lack of testing, drastic measures in France with some apartments totally isolated en masse, ORF in Austria has quarantined 25 core news show editors, technicians and presenters to ensure the main channel keeps running, restauranteurs giving meals to hospitals.
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
When did they predict that? Before or after their lockdown preannouncements produced a weekend of people heading for a last beer and then a last day trip and hence probably this surge about 10 days later?
Rusty Nails
We remember
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- Living in the slow lane
A friend of ours is an experienced A&E senior nurse who has had a week off on pre-arranged leave. She has two young kids and is absolutely terrified of going into work in a very busy hospital that will soon be overrun, with all the added concerns about PPE and testing, but is going to put her fears aside and go in.
Apart from the risk to her physical health the stresses she is facing will not be good for her in the long term.
It seems to me that the government have taken their medical staff for granted, and not fully prioritised looking after them as part of the solution.
newfhouse
Resolutely on topic
Many good people are going to be damaged by this. Public clapping, as much of a temporary boost as it may provide, is no substitute for proper long term support.
We shouldn’t be surprised. We have never been good enough at looking after public servants - armed forces and blue light workers - broken by their experiences.
Yep sounds about right Mrs 73 feels the same but she will carry it‘s what’s they do. As this situation continues having staff off due to having or maybe having the virus. Won’t be the only sickness the government need to worry about.
Joey Shabadoo
My pronouns are "He", "Him" and "buggerlugs"
I'm betting every country is seeing their own Monday morning quarterbacks, but most countries are seeing similar results -
The exceptions being China - whose figures should not be believed for one second and countries in the Far East with far more compliant populations than the West.
The exceptions being China - whose figures should not be believed for one second and countries in the Far East with far more compliant populations than the West.
matticus
Guru
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but if they'd brought in the *current* rules/guidance before that one crazy sunny weekend, we would have had a lot less problems.
Giving hints that things would soon become stricter was asking for trouble.
Indeed. As shocking as they are, nobody who's paying attention should be surprised by the growing daily number of deaths in the UK.
It seems the media treats these announcements with a certain amount of faux-surprise; not sure if this is to be encouraged to shock people into acting more responsibly, or decried as un-necessarily sensationalist. Either way it's grim reading.
nickyboy
Norven Mankey
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- You want hills? We got hills
Putting PRC to one side it isn't the compliance of HK, Taiwan, Singapore that kept the epidemic at bay. It was the memory of SARS
Imagine this happens again here in 10 years time. The public's reaction would be very different as we would know exactly what to do regarding hygiene, social distancing etc. First time round you learn as you go (which is why hundreds died in HK from SARS as they had to learn as they went)
SK is a bit different. Talking to friends in Seoul they keep repeating that it's their general preparedness for something catastrophic, NK border only being a short distance away, that meant they were able to react as they did. They are in a permanent state of readiness
You're right about PRC though. Culturally they have accepted direction unswervingly from their government for many years. As such PRC was able to have a very severe lockdown that probably could never be observed on other countries
I think everybody is wearing a mask (not full PPE) now, even low risk, non-patient facing admin bods. I've not been given a P3 mask yet and never expect to be, only 2 basic versions. One is elasticated (hoops around ears) and fits very well, you can mould the nose bridge to your face and make a decent seal so that when you inhale, it compresses. But I am rushing around in a sweaty mess so it gets really warm, moist and very, very uncomfortable. The other is one you tie with upper and lower "laces" behind your head, these are very comfortable for me but I am aware that the seal is non-existent. More of a concern to me is virus patients refusing to wear a mask or ripping them off.
Quite a few middle aged Asian people in today, this is alarming , because a mid 50's person locally will very probably be living with 3, perhaps 4 generations.....
A GP surgery has apologised after sending a letter asking patients with life-limiting illnesses to complete a "do not resuscitate" form.
I understand the need to encourage people to both think about and let family know what your wishers are.
But this is just crass and so ill thought out. Who ever thought it was good idea has no understanding about being sensitive around this.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52117814
I understand the need to encourage people to both think about and let family know what your wishers are.
But this is just crass and so ill thought out. Who ever thought it was good idea has no understanding about being sensitive around this.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52117814
nickyboy
Norven Mankey
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- You want hills? We got hills
I think you can only judge the timing and severity of lockdowns with hindsight.
We are just 10 days into what will probably be at least 10 weeks of lockdown. Already in Italy which has been locked down for longer there is no happy clapping and singing. People are struggling financially, mentally and emotionally. And they aren't even half way through their lockdown
What I'm trying to say is that lockdowns exact a high price from the people as they drag on, week after week. Perhaps understandably governments are very reluctant to impose them until the last possible minute
slowmotion
Quite dreadful
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- lost somewhere
The number of deaths is plotted on a logarithmic scale. If they plotted them on a linear scale it would look even more grim.
