Coronavirus outbreak

[Jody]

If you can technically, you should IMO. Any bosses who try to stop telework will be on very thin ice for an unsafe workplace if workers catch the virus in any number.

But I think they could play the need for somebody to be in work for the premise to be open, warehouse to operate. Yet the message is you shouldn't leave your house unless absolutely necessary. Gatherings aren't allowed unless for business. So your ok to mix with other people at work but should somehow stay away from everyone who isn't in your house. Cant have more than two people together but 3 or 4 people in an office is ok? I don't get it.

 

[Smudge]

I see Sports Direct have refused to close, saying they are an 'essential shop' as they supply sports equipment for people to exercise.

 

[randynewmanscat]

Official text from government guidance

Every citizen is instructed to comply with these new measures.

The Government will therefore be ensuring the police and other relevant authorities have the powers to enforce them, including through fines and dispersing gatherings where people do not comply.

The police and LA already have powers in place. Parks town , city centres some LA have already public space protection orders in place. which pretty much cover dispersal.

In his address I wanted to hear him tell the people that they had not listened to his previous advice and that measures would be brought in to make those people toe the line. He did not join the dots and admonish the people who have previously ignored all the pleas to stay out of each others way as best they could.
The previous mixed messages and the now dropped herd immunity plan have not helped him and he was in no position to point the finger at the willfully deaf, that much is clear.
I grant that he had a steep hill to climb between the "we don't need no steenkin experts" cult, his own father saying he would defo be down the pub with his chums and his friend Tim Martin telling people to get down the local spoons because its no worse than buying your essential goods at the supermarket.

 

[Saluki]

Anyone found anything about walking dogs?
I not wanting to find a way round this just want to know if walking the dog is your daily exercise limit.
I‘m guessing it is. Just wondering if come the morning if that’s both me and the hound done for the day.

I suppose each person in the household could walk the dog as their exercise?

That's what we will be doing I think.

I am concerned about this. I live alone except for my 2 hounds. Only me to walk them. I plan on one long walk but will have to take them out a couple of times to relieve themselves. They can’t be expected to wait 24 hours. We all wee more than once every 24 hours.


According to work, we are key workers because of the nature of the work, our project, is involved with. I am currently on a phased return and working from head office. I asked to take paperwork home to process on my secure laptop but they said ‘no’ unless I have symptoms. An email has gone to everyone already saying ‘business as usual’ or words to that effect.

 

[randynewmanscat]

I see Sports Direct have refused to close, saying they are an 'essential shop' as they supply sports equipment for people to exercise.

Mike Ashley, tsk, tsk. He has a license to conduct trade, I'll get the popcorn.

 

[randynewmanscat]

He did no such thing. He posed a question. Economics and life are intertwined, a global recession may cause more loss of life than the virus

A global recession will barely be noticed in most African countries or rural India. The people in those places are going to see more loss of life due to this pandemic than countries with stock markets, property bubbles and advanced healthcare, by a long way.

 

[slowmotion]

In his address I wanted to hear him tell the people that they had not listened to his previous advice and that measures would be brought in to make those people toe the line. He did not join the dots and admonish the people who have previously ignored all the pleas to stay out of each others way as best they could.
The previous mixed messages and the now dropped herd immunity plan have not helped him and he was in no position to point the finger at the willfully deaf, that much is clear.
I grant that he had a steep hill to climb between the "we don't need no steenkin experts" cult, his own father saying he would defo be down the pub with his chums and his friend Tim Martin telling people to get down the local spoons because its no worse than buying your essential goods at the supermarket.

Will you ever stop trying to spread your messianic vision of online hope?

 

[steve292]

This is a genuine advert from a company in my county. The guarantee was, apparently, that if you got it, they'd give you your money back. They've taken it down now and are not taking bookings before June.

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I've used them before. Never again

 

[randynewmanscat]

Will you ever stop trying to spread your messianic vision of online hope?

Probably not, stupid is my middle name.

 

[slowmotion]

Probably not, stupid is my middle name.

 

[wafter]

Perhaps I'm just bitter because I don't like to have my movements curtailed or be made to feel guilty about / second guess my decisions to go out on the bike.. but does anyone else feel that the measures applied to private activites seem excessively draconian compared to the vague, subjective and lax advice for businesses?

While I'm all for many of the wider-reaching measures (public gatherings, closure of non-essential stuff, minimising trips out etc) It seems to me that the government is taking a hard line with indiviual activities while leaving the door wide open for some decidely non-essential businesses to carry on regardless at their own behest.

Rightly or wrongly I resent being made to feel like an irresponsible scumbag for daring to venture outside the house into the clean, open, sparsely-populated air more than once per day, while Sports direct can apparently force its workers to come into contact with many, many people daily while flogging them an essential pair of trackie bottoms

 

[slowmotion]

Crikey! Is this the "Tory Scum let their pals out to infect us all while we have to suffer" thread?

 

[Fab Foodie]

my Bro works forBOC in Manchester, he tells me that cylinders are disappearing all over the place ,

Worsley? I used to to work for BOC (Morden and then Thame) back in the good old days (30 years ago)!

 

[Pale Rider]

Boris has done a good job to, whether by luck or design, introduce a near full lock down gradually.

Whatever the government orders and whatever enforcement they can deploy, public acceptance plays a large part in making the restrictions work.

Had Boris gone straight into 'that's it, you're all stopping in the house' a few weeks ago, there would have been widespread adverse reaction.

Perhaps I'm just bitter because I don't like to have my movements curtailed or be made to feel guilty about / second guess my decisions to go out on the bike.. but does anyone else feel that the measures applied to private activites seem excessively draconian compared to the vague, subjective and lax advice for businesses?

The key aim is to stop households mixing with other households.

The measures against business were as you describe, but their main purpose was to persuade households to play the game without having to directly tell them to do so.

In his address I wanted to hear him tell the people that they had not listened to his previous advice and that measures would be brought in to make those people toe the line

Ticking off those who misbehaved would have annoyed them - no one likes being told off - making them less likely to follow the latest advice.

It was a tactically smarter decision for Boris to swerve what's gone on up to now, and focus on what he wants to go on in the future.

 

[Rocky]

Boris has done a good job to, whether by luck or design, introduce a near full lock down gradually.

Whatever the government orders and whatever enforcement they can deploy, public acceptance plays a large part in making the restrictions work.

Had Boris gone straight into 'that's it, you're all stopping in the house' a few weeks ago, there would have been widespread adverse reaction.



The key aim is to stop households mixing with other households.

The measures against business were as you describe, but their main purpose was to persuade households to play the game without having to directly tell them to do so.



Ticking off those who misbehaved would have annoyed them - no one likes being told off - making them less likely to follow the latest advice.

It was a tactically smarter decision for Boris to swerve what's gone on up to now, and focus on what he wants to go on in the future.

I’m not sure we have got where we are in any planned way but I agree that it has probably been the best route to an inevitable lockdown. Too fast and people would have complained. Too slow and more people would have died. Whatever went on politically behind the scenes, I’m 100% behind the lockdown and am amazed at the level of public acceptance. So someone has done a good job.