nickyboy
Norven Mankey
- Location
- You want hills? We got hills
Mrs N works for a charity that provides counselling services. They are already seeing an increase in people coming and asking for help due to issues related to Covid-19
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Mo1959
Legendary Member
- Location
- Perthshire,Scotland
Another fear I have is that our already high suicide rate will take a massive jump 😢
Unfortunate phrasing!
Toilet rolls all gone in Waitrose by those allowed in the first hour whom I am sure definitely all needed them, not. Got a paper which surprised me as the Times normally has sold out by 9 but trying to spend another £8 was difficult, freezers were blizted and whisky's on offer were not that tempting.
I’m no regular fan of Nicola Sturgeon but she’s coming across positively statesmanlike compared to Bojo’s clown act.
I’m pleased she’s in charge up here
Coronavirus: Sturgeon warns of 'difficult days' amid compulsory closures https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-51974969
I’m pleased she’s in charge up here
Coronavirus: Sturgeon warns of 'difficult days' amid compulsory closures https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-51974969
RecordAceFromNew
Swinging Member
- Location
- West London
I have found some neat graphics some clever people at the New England Complex Systems Institute have been showing. Instead of just showing national figures, painting the local pictures can be instructive. For example, the following two charts show how S Korea, and to a lesser extent Iran (who knew?) have been able to forestall geographical spread (by stopping red/brown moving to the right over time) and control growth (by turning red into brown e.g. with time):
On the other hand, Italy and Spain have not done very well at all:
The numbers in the boxes of course also show the scale of the tragedy unfolding locally in time.
What the Italian chart tells me, is that while Lombardia is leveling off now some 10 days after the 9th March national lockdown, growth remains significant in the neighbouring regions. I suspect @marinyork will be able to read more/better from the chart than I can.
I really hope the S Korean chart can stop the doubters doubt what a massive testing, strict tracing and isolation policy can achieve. Actually for that matter, a note published by these folks points out some fundamental shortcomings in the Neil Ferguson model (yes the model that supposedly changed the UK/USA direction early this week). A highly astute note imho, with important observations on how stoppable this thing is.
Haven't got a chart for it, but think we all know which one UK/London/Manchester/Birmingham etc. is going to resemble, tragically...
On the other hand, Italy and Spain have not done very well at all:
The numbers in the boxes of course also show the scale of the tragedy unfolding locally in time.
What the Italian chart tells me, is that while Lombardia is leveling off now some 10 days after the 9th March national lockdown, growth remains significant in the neighbouring regions. I suspect @marinyork will be able to read more/better from the chart than I can.
I really hope the S Korean chart can stop the doubters doubt what a massive testing, strict tracing and isolation policy can achieve. Actually for that matter, a note published by these folks points out some fundamental shortcomings in the Neil Ferguson model (yes the model that supposedly changed the UK/USA direction early this week). A highly astute note imho, with important observations on how stoppable this thing is.
Haven't got a chart for it, but think we all know which one UK/London/Manchester/Birmingham etc. is going to resemble, tragically...
My 12 Yr old granddaughter has been given a full, and I mean full, itinerary of schoolwork to do. I believe she has to submit it regularly via the school app (or something).
Not sure if she can get online help from her teachers, but they know whether she is doing it, or not. Fortunately, my daughter is one who will make sure it's kept up to date.
Not sure what 5 Yr old grandson will get from school, but daughter will be schooling him via whiteboard, reading and some youtube vids and apps.
fossyant
Ride It Like You Stole It!
- Location
- South Manchester
This was happening locally - big groups of teens out. They won't find it so funny when gran and grandad are dead.
We also had idiots out on a motocross bike tearing round the playing field behind us yesterday.
At least you got some bum wipe material. Just needs a nail in the wall to hang it.
randynewmanscat
Veteran
- Location
- Vienne, Poitou-Chrentes
"eres ten Bob, go out and play somewhere lad".
last night Mrs 73 was telling me about the PPE for police and custody HCP's.
Front line officers have hand gel which get's refilled from a central point back at the cop shop.
All road side drug driving testing has stopped. The test strip has to go under your tongue. So not a good idea.
(word of warning HCP testing inc talking blood for above is still going on so) Refuse it and you get changed with offence anyway plus failure to provide.
Police are still taking DNA which is odd as that's a month swab.
A PC was talking about this with the Custody Sergeant saying it sounds at odds. So Mrs 73 gave him a facemark so he had one for latter.
Custody computers have been updated and Custody Sergeant will ask the key virus questions. If they say yes to any, a banner in red shows up across screen. Possible Coronavirus use PPE.
I asked her what have they've got. She said nothing !
As for HPC's they have the stuff @Brompton Bruce showed. They also have what they have been told is contingency Kit.
oh ok I was thinking so what's that I said. so she told me.
3x of the following
Glasses , 3m facemask, Apron with sleeves. All in side one yellow plastic bag.
They've been told to use them only if they get a confirmed case. Even if they tested everyone on the spot the result is not instant. So how they hell do they know.
I asked if with they get used is someone going to bring some more for that shift. No came the reply.
Yesterday Mrs 73 had to see 14 people one 4 times. They have no real up-to the minute clinical history other than what's on system one. They have to rely on them being honest with what Custody Sergeant ask's them.No idea who they have been mixing with or who they have ect, ect. They have to get up close to them. They only have normal gloves , a bit of plastic and a normal mask. They have no hand gel but have soap and hot water so not a bit issue. Though last night the soap dispenser went luckily she found a bottle in the cupboard that has a built in dispenser. After that go's I don't know what happens the about of times they wash hand normally is high enough.
The number of different HCP's what see multiple people and the same ones in the same custody suit can be 2,3,4. Add in the other staff if they need assessment for mental health , or social issues ect can add another 4 to the list. Some custody suits hold up to 40 some even more.
A few are also designated for the holding of any illegal immigrants that they may pick up. Until immigration arrive to take them. So no chance of knowing a history. (i'm not saying any of that to make any other point other than explaining the risks front-line are expected to deal with)
Staff don't work the same suit every shift so move around. The other thing to add in the mix is if someone is taken to hospital due to a crash and is suspected of drink /drug driving. Is not fit to give a sample to a PC then the HCP get's sent to see the in A&E to take blood. The same ones who work in custody. They also see people at home eg every sudden child death bloods are taken from parents.
Add in the police bringing people in over a shift and the Custody Sergeant having to sit close up to all of them each shift. Then many people maybe held for only a few hours. So then get replaced by others .... and so it go's on. Then you have the custody staff who are based in the suit. Then all these people once the shift ends go's home.
If this is how police custody is having to deal with this than god help them once this arrives inside prisons.
Mrs 73 has worked in many places and has to deal with very violent people inc real hard ball prisoners. Until yesterday I never really felt over worried what she may face. Now I'm terrified. At some point she will be redeployed to more frontline they are already looking at staff skills. Then I don't know what to think.
Front line officers have hand gel which get's refilled from a central point back at the cop shop.
All road side drug driving testing has stopped. The test strip has to go under your tongue. So not a good idea.
(word of warning HCP testing inc talking blood for above is still going on so) Refuse it and you get changed with offence anyway plus failure to provide.
Police are still taking DNA which is odd as that's a month swab.
A PC was talking about this with the Custody Sergeant saying it sounds at odds. So Mrs 73 gave him a facemark so he had one for latter.
Custody computers have been updated and Custody Sergeant will ask the key virus questions. If they say yes to any, a banner in red shows up across screen. Possible Coronavirus use PPE.
I asked her what have they've got. She said nothing !
As for HPC's they have the stuff @Brompton Bruce showed. They also have what they have been told is contingency Kit.
oh ok I was thinking so what's that I said. so she told me.
3x of the following
Glasses , 3m facemask, Apron with sleeves. All in side one yellow plastic bag.
They've been told to use them only if they get a confirmed case. Even if they tested everyone on the spot the result is not instant. So how they hell do they know.
I asked if with they get used is someone going to bring some more for that shift. No came the reply.Yesterday Mrs 73 had to see 14 people one 4 times. They have no real up-to the minute clinical history other than what's on system one. They have to rely on them being honest with what Custody Sergeant ask's them.No idea who they have been mixing with or who they have ect, ect. They have to get up close to them. They only have normal gloves , a bit of plastic and a normal mask. They have no hand gel but have soap and hot water so not a bit issue. Though last night the soap dispenser went luckily she found a bottle in the cupboard that has a built in dispenser. After that go's I don't know what happens the about of times they wash hand normally is high enough.
The number of different HCP's what see multiple people and the same ones in the same custody suit can be 2,3,4. Add in the other staff if they need assessment for mental health , or social issues ect can add another 4 to the list. Some custody suits hold up to 40 some even more.
A few are also designated for the holding of any illegal immigrants that they may pick up. Until immigration arrive to take them. So no chance of knowing a history. (i'm not saying any of that to make any other point other than explaining the risks front-line are expected to deal with)
Staff don't work the same suit every shift so move around. The other thing to add in the mix is if someone is taken to hospital due to a crash and is suspected of drink /drug driving. Is not fit to give a sample to a PC then the HCP get's sent to see the in A&E to take blood. The same ones who work in custody. They also see people at home eg every sudden child death bloods are taken from parents.
Add in the police bringing people in over a shift and the Custody Sergeant having to sit close up to all of them each shift. Then many people maybe held for only a few hours. So then get replaced by others .... and so it go's on. Then you have the custody staff who are based in the suit. Then all these people once the shift ends go's home.
If this is how police custody is having to deal with this than god help them once this arrives inside prisons.
Mrs 73 has worked in many places and has to deal with very violent people inc real hard ball prisoners. Until yesterday I never really felt over worried what she may face. Now I'm terrified. At some point she will be redeployed to more frontline they are already looking at staff skills. Then I don't know what to think.
Of course I will
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Cracking a solo.
If you're a Big Issue buyer John Bird has asked that his sellers get off the street, he wants people to buy digitally instead.
https://www.bigissue.com/
https://www.bigissue.com/
That's an interesting article and yet another take on the situation that involves widespread testing and contact tracing. I don't really understand why UK testing is so restricted and can only speculate that there is lack of laboratory capacity or some other infrastructure reason.
