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PK99

Legendary Member
Location
SW19
One thing that is emerging from her network of GPs is that many are reporting that the Covid19 cough sounds very different from a ‘normal’ cough. It needs research but if this is true it may be a fast track way of diagnosis via phone or video link.

Could you clarify the highlighted point. In what way different?
 

Pale Rider

Legendary Member
I'm sorry.....I should do 50 Hail Marys for that. I hope I'm forgiven.

No worries, I'm all in favour of a bit of levity.

But a union between me and Regulator would not be one made in heaven.
 

PK99

Legendary Member
Location
SW19
It wasn't coronavirus. The first case was detected in Chinese nationals at the end of January, the first 'internal' transmission at the end of February. If thousands of people had had it over Christmas they would have also been detected and current case numbers would have been much higher.

That timeline is now in dispute:

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/soc...nas-first-confirmed-covid-19-case-traced-back

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...november-china-government-records-show-report
 

marinyork

Resting in suspended Animation
Location
Logopolis
I'm not sure exactly what makes it distinctive - it seems that for it to be used in research and ultimately diagnosis, it would need a 'code'. This hasn't happened yet. It's a good point about what the Chinese experience is - there is all sort of collaboration going on and I suspect this will trickle down - although as ever, many clinicians/academics are looking for a high tech diagnosis and classifying a cough, simple as it may be, might be seen as a low priority. But watch this space, I'll feedback as and when I hear more.

Well being serious, it's a great one, as you can have recordings of coughs, do sound analysis of coughs and even get techs on coughs. Or even if just playing back for training. You could even get computer diagnostics to aid it. Or you can not do all of that stuff and the doctors will still do a good job of picking it up, safer, send to the 111 pods at ends of motorways etc.

The ACE inhibitor cough just curious as that has a very 'distinctive' cough which I struggle to describe. It also tallies with ACE2 stuff, which is any of that stuff is true is a bit scary, but also good as possible treatments there.

I was also curious as the last few days when the advise said about particular coughs I wondered internal discussions of doctors.
 

Rocky

Hello decadence
Could you clarify the highlighted point. In what way different?
I'm afraid I'm not a clinician and so can't add many more details than the description given by the NHS which describes it as a continuous cough – (this means you've started coughing repeatedly).

My understanding is that if you are a GP (or chest physician) you are able to distinguish between different sorts of coughs - and this helps with the diagnosis. This is built up through the years of experience seeing patients. My wife is an academic GP but no longer sees patients (she stopped after a serious illness left her with a compromised immune system), however she still talks to many of her clinical colleagues and this thing about the cough is just anecdotal at the moment. But I'm sure we'll hear more.
 

Rocky

Hello decadence
Well being serious, it's a great one, as you can have recordings of coughs, do sound analysis of coughs and even get techs on coughs. Or even if just playing back for training. You could even get computer diagnostics to aid it. Or you can not do all of that stuff and the doctors will still do a good job of picking it up, safer, send to the 111 pods at ends of motorways etc.

The ACE inhibitor cough just curious as that has a very 'distinctive' cough which I struggle to describe. It also tallies with ACE2 stuff, which is any of that stuff is true is a bit scary, but also good as possible treatments there.

I was also curious as the last few days when the advise said about particular coughs I wondered internal discussions of doctors.
For me that is an occasional deep down dry tickle-cough, The corona virus is described as 'continuous'
I will see what I can find out - all very helpful suggestions. Who says CC doesn't operate on a higher intellectual plane?
 

Pale Rider

Legendary Member
Who says CC doesn't operate on a higher intellectual plane?

I did, probably several times.

There's no doubt the corona threads have raised us a little way out of the intellectual gutter.

We're not quite reaching for the stars, but I wouldn't want us to be.
 

marinyork

Resting in suspended Animation
Location
Logopolis
For me that is an occasional deep down dry tickle-cough, The corona virus is described as 'continuous'

What I meant was that ACE inhibitor cough to me is more occasional but 'continuous' or as people describe it 'persistent', but that coronavirus sounds like the same thing dialed up in earlier stages (it would be in some ways unfortunately with what we know's going on underneath). I know some people get some other symptoms also with ACE inhibitor cough.

The ibuprofen advice the french gave seems to be going around the NHS now.

If any slower insights derived over months make a difference great, as small things could make a sizeable difference just due to the vast numbers.

Dunno if anyone finds the vid from speed pharmacology interesting.
 

MarkF

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
Friday - Wear a mask, bin it as you leave casualty, put on a fresh one on your return.

Saturday - Wear a mask, take it off & put it in your pocket as you leave casualty. Put it on again as you re-enter.

Sunday - Here's your mask, that's your lot.

Monday - Ditto.

Tuesday - Oh, we are not bothering now.
^_^
 
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