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PK99

Legendary Member
Location
SW19
A short while ago I speculated, on the basis of a personal anecdote:


And.... my experience is that for maybe 15 years I have been prone to chest infections (4/5 a year needing heavy-duty antibiotics), combined with other conditions these can be potentially life-threatening if they do not respond to my rescue pack of antibiotics.

From late 2019 to October this year I had ZERO chest infections. In October I had a nasty one that took a month and 14 days of Moxifloxacin to clear.
ie Covid Isolation protected me from infection risk, as soon as I started mixing normally , in particular taking a short haul cattle class flight, the normal exposure/infection pattern resumed.

There must (?) be some element of that in the current pattern. ie not directly covid related, but lockdown/isolation provided temporary protection from things other than covid.

Sadly, Strep A infections in children would appear to give empirical support to my speculation. The early, clear visibility in the case of Strep A deaths in children is likely because of the extremely low normal incidence. In older people observing the effect amongst complex statistical noise will take longer and deeper analysis

Times today:
Experts fear that a lack of mixing between children during the Covid-19 pandemic caused a drop in population immunity levels, increasing transmission of a variety of infections.
 

Ajax Bay

Guru
Location
East Devon
Technical-report-on-the-covid-19-pandemic-in-the-uk
The UK Chief Medical Officers (CMO), Government Chief Scientific Adviser (GCSA), UK deputy CMOs (DCMO) most closely engaged in the COVID-19 response, NHS England National Medical Director, and the UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) CE have produced a
technical report on the scientific, public health and clinical aspects of the COVID-19 pandemic in UK. The report is written for their successors who, in due course, will face a new pandemic or major epidemic in the UK.

I have not read through it thoroughly but here are a few clips from the introduction:
"COVID-19, influenza, MERS-CoV and SARS-CoV-1 have very important differences including in age structure of mortality and transmission dynamics despite all being viruses transmitted predominantly by the respiratory route."
"The speed with which effective vaccines against COVID-19 were developed was remarkable, but it cannot be assumed."
[edited]"the UK built up a picture of the key information needed for pharmaceutical interventions and NPIs, including:
  • modes of transmission for SARS-CoV-2,
  • common transmission settings,
  • mortality rate in different ages and risk-groups of society,
  • the relative importance of asymptomatic infection,
  • the nature of immunity and reinfection.
" the picture emerged gradually . . . the path to creating the picture was neither linear nor straightforward. Many of the important initial decisions by policymakers in a pandemic have to be taken when many key facts are unknown, or at least uncertain."
 

tom73

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
Anything with input from Jenny Harries needs to come with a bit lump of salt.
As during the pandemic note no involvement or input from CNO and deputies or mention of importance of Nursing.
Primary care should have it's own section and specialist input as this was the real sharp end high which was glossed over at the time.
Specialist areas of care and institutions also are not covered and no input generally. Eg hospices, palliative care nursing , prisons, custody, criminal justice and forensic nursing or FME's
 

Ajax Bay

Guru
Location
East Devon
Glad you enjoyed it, saline or not. Dame Jennifer, to you.
You point out omissions which do seem worth being included.
Believe there's still time to make submissions to Baroness Hallett.
 
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classic33

Leg End Member
I think masking by default (or wearing an 'exempt' lanyard) in a hospital/surgery/care home setting (latter of the staff, not inmates) is entirely reasonable and sensible, and is within the gift of those institutions/buildings management to impose/enforce.
Improved ventilation/air exchange on public transport and indoor close stranger settings is an improvement opportunity I fear we will not grasp.
Not in favour of broad brush visiting restrictions in illness/care settings. One of the pandemic's tragedies is the general prevention of close(st) relatives not being able to visit/'say goodbye'.
I'm exempt on medical grounds, and refuse to/will not wear a lanyard saying that I'm disabled. The grounds for exemption, for myself. It doesn't appear as though I am disabled/have a disability. I do however carry a card that says the same thing. I do however wear one, half face mask, in medical settings assuming I have it with me.

The exempt on health grounds got me enough abuse when they were mandatory in certain places.


Posted it here as the other thread was more for the personal effects.
 

Ajax Bay

Guru
Location
East Devon
I think masking by default (or wearing an 'exempt' lanyard) in a hospital/surgery/care home setting (latter of the staff, not inmates) is entirely reasonable and sensible, and is within the gift of those institutions/buildings management to impose/enforce.
Improved ventilation/air exchange on public transport and indoor close stranger settings is an improvement opportunity I fear we will not grasp.
Not in favour of broad brush visiting restrictions in illness/care settings. One of the pandemic's tragedies is the general prevention of close(st) relatives not being able to visit/'say goodbye'.
I'm exempt on medical grounds, and refuse to/will not wear a lanyard saying that I'm disabled. The grounds for exemption, for myself. It doesn't appear as though I am disabled/have a disability. I do however carry a card that says the same thing. I do however wear one, half face mask, in medical settings assuming I have it with me.
The exempt on health grounds got me enough abuse when they were mandatory in certain places.
Posted it here as the other thread was more for the personal effects.
Agree this thread better and I've pasted my post in to afford context.
From an institution's PoV, if they wish to enforce a 'masks will be worn unless exempt' policy, it's really difficult to maintain discipline (staff, visitors and patients) if some don't and there's no 'obvious' reason (eg small child). A simple lanyard (easier to wear than a mask - maybe not) offers a
I appreciate you've had to deal with this stuff for 3 years now, or longer(?). I have no experience of 'less than fully abled/healthy' but seeing those wearing lanyards for me didn't label them (as you perceive) as "am disabled/have a disability".
I see that as the person having a valid reason for not wearing a mask: that's all: I did not question or even consider the reason: what would be the point?
Surprised you think that the "abuse" you suffered was worth the principle of no overt disclosure, and you can have empathy with others bridling on being forced to wear masks asking wtf.
 

classic33

Leg End Member
The sunflower lanyard signifies a hidden disability. It's nothing new, or to do with just the last few years. What I find odd is how many of the people who suddenly started wearing one, rather than a mask, now no longer wear one(sunflower lanyard).

The abuse usually came from those with some authority to ensure people wore masks, "security" or bus drivers. Other passengers who were told upon trying to get on without wearing one, would point in my direction saying something along the lines of "He's not wearing one!". Something happened, it wasn't always to the local A&E I was taken. Getting back home meant having to travel on three, maybe four buses. I avoided bus stations for this reason. Medical staff were more understanding of the problem.

I wore a full face enclosed air supply mask for the first year, then a half face mask. Both I already had, are better than the paper masks, which don't taste that nice either.

Maybe if old habits hadn't returned so quickly, coughing, sneezing without covering the mouth, spitting and clearing the throat, all without consideration for anyone else, there'd be less chance of a mass return to compulsory mask wearing.

The epilepsy is bad enough without having to wear a badge/card(printed off at home) on a lanyard. I did actually consider getting I have epilepsy/I am living with epilepsy printed onto a Hi-Vis vest just to cover the times when one couldn't be worn, but the shop was shut.
 
coughing, sneezing without covering the mouth, spitting and clearing the throat, all without consideration for anyone else,
THIS - together with what seems like a total abandonment of any attempt at increasing ventilation/air flow on public transport (buses in particular) even during rush hour/busy times - is what pushed me into going back to wearing a decent, well-fitting N95 on public transport after a couple of months 'off' in summer.
I don't wear a mask anywhere else now, unless I'm asked to do so, or it's wise to do so in the specific circumstances - but I'm not a person to hang around in stuffy indoor crowded places, never have been. Even my choir, which I returned to a few months ago, is having an outdoor session on NYD - a musical walk, if you like! There'll be plenty of ventilation on the seafront!
 

Ajax Bay

Guru
Location
East Devon
Given the Omicron sub-variant hitting the news, I thought this was an excellent article on shared by the CAG:
https://covidactuaries.org/2021/05/22/policy-response-the-question-before-the-question/

The question before the question?​


5-bb5f65_0a6d6504e6e44e2e94f5ebf4f49db47amv2-24x24.png Josephine Robertson
2021-05-22
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There will continue to be variants as the pandemic continues. Even post-pandemic the worry of some resurgence will remain. The obvious question with any variant might seem to be “should we be worried about this variant?” Here though, we consider the importance of the underlying question.
The underlying question relates to our assumed starting position. This is known as a prior assumption (the statement that is assumed true without the need for proof).
Different framing can shed light on different societal public health approaches, and in general decision-making under uncertainty.
Policymakers say they are following the science, which often includes hypothesis testing. Scientists ask what evidence exists to disprove the ‘null hypothesis’? The ‘null hypothesis’ (or H0) is our assumption of normality (the prior assumption).
So, when we hear, ‘no evidence yet’ with regard to properties of a variant, what does this mean? It could mean two things, when the original hypothesis is framed two different ways.
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Framing the original hypothesis differently has a great impact on the resulting decision-making under the uncertainty caused by a lack of evidence.
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This can seem like semantics, but it has real consequences. Approach 1 allows the population to be exposed to a risk while we accumulate evidence. Approach 2 minimises exposure to a risk until it is better understood.
Under Approach 1, those disproportionately exposed to the virus in society provide the statistical evidence – the canary in the coal mine.
Under Approach 2, societal cohesion is called upon to mitigate a risk not yet fully understood or that poses only a minimal risk at that time. Australia, New Zealand, Singapore and others are examples of minimising exposure early, in order to avoid lengthy Non-Pharmaceutical Interventions after a period of exponential growth.
At the start of the pandemic, these different approaches to framing the hypothesis led to different public health responses. As we continue in our pandemic response, what should our prior assumption be – a state of normality or a state of emergency?
Variants will continue to emerge – at home and abroad – and they will continue to pose a risk. How quickly we respond and how we respond may rely on how we pose the question before the question.
 

Ajax Bay

Guru
Location
East Devon
Omicron XBB recombinant (V-22OCT-02) of SARS-CoV-2 "is unlikely to pose an additional threat to health but could accelerate cases of COVID-19 in the UK, virologists think."
Comment: I wonder what is actually meant be "accelerate"?
Pollard: " urged restraint so as not to drive fear that each new variant heralds a new crisis in the pandemic. There is no reason to think that XBB.1.5 is of any more concern than other variants that come and go in the ever-changing landscape of COVID-19 mutants."
This sub-variant (XBB.1.5) is responsible for >40% of new cases across the USA (top strain and increasing in proportion). Found but uncommon in many (29?) other countries. In UK is thought to account for about 7% of new cases (@ 6 Jan), according to UKHSA sequencing data.
 

lazybloke

Priest of the cult of Chris Rea
Location
Leafy Surrey
I had to tell my better half she hadn't received an invitation to a covid spring jab; she's not old enough.
It was actually for her father or our daughter; both of them qualify on age or health grounds.

Would be great if NHS notifications identified the intended recipient....
 
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