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lane

Veteran
Latest estimates show fewer than one in 1,000 infections is leading to a death. At the peak of the winter wave it was one in 60.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57643694
 

Buck

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
Meanwhile, the NHS won't let my daughter take her 2nd jab because the system says she's had it. So, either because of fraudulent impersonation or dodgy data entry, her name, dob and NHS number show her as having had it. The technical people don't know how to reset it so refer her back to her GP who refer her to the technical people. And so it goes. Once you've had your jab on the computer you've had your jab....:wacko:
Did you get sorted? PM me if you need some advice 👍🏻
 

Ajax Bay

Guru
Location
East Devon
we can expect 72,000 hospitalisations - 6 times your figures. Again, using your planning assumptions, that suggests a peak of 4,800 per day.
I responded (on 12 Jun):
"Reworking, adding in the already vaccinated as @McWobble suggested.
10% (basis for that estimate shared upthread) chance that those susceptible will catch it. The average fraction of those that catch it who end up in hospital is 1% (another assumption which I'm not certain is robust, but I've seen quoted), Spread over 30 days (see previous 'model') 30 days either side of peak that'd suggest (planning figures) = 580pd, peaking at (estimate) 1160pd. (NB Latest figure (12 Jun) is 187pd on 8 Jun and the peak in January was 4,232pd (7-day average).)
To reiterate: "Put it this way, it's not going to be in the thousands, and the NHS can handle it (see Test 2).
[By all means flag these analyses and use them as a stick to beat me in late August.]"
This is worse than an assumption, this 10% factor is an arbitrary fudge factor. Worse, it has no basis on reality.
The delta variant has a R0 of at least 6, and modelling suggests it may be as high as 8. 85-90% of the population need to have been infected or vaccinated in order to reach herd immunity.
The delta variant will only die out when the vulnerable population falls below 10-15%. It will not simply stop when it has infected 10% of those vulnerable to infection. There is no mechanism that will do so! Making the hidden assumption that there is, as you've done, unfortunately has the effect of invalidating any conclusion you might make from your analysis.
Overall, if the hospitalisation fraction for the vaccinated really is 1% of those who become ill, I'd expect total numbers to be 10-15% lower than my above figure, as the infection rate dies away as herd immunity is reached. However, hospitalisations from those who're unvaccinated or only have had one jab will be significantly higher than your estimate.
Quoting @McWobble “if the hospitalisation fraction for the vaccinated really is 1% of those who become ill, I'd expect total numbers to be 10-15% lower than my above figure [“a peak of 4,800 hospitalisations per day.”]”
My estimate was a peak of 1160pd. I had not referred to herd immunity in my estimates.
28 Jun: How are we going? They seem to have stopped publishing hospital admissions: last data are 227 on 22 Jun: a steady increase of about 3 per day (UK).
 

classic33

Leg End Member
I responded (on 12 Jun):
"Reworking, adding in the already vaccinated as @McWobble suggested.
10% (basis for that estimate shared upthread) chance that those susceptible will catch it. The average fraction of those that catch it who end up in hospital is 1% (another assumption which I'm not certain is robust, but I've seen quoted), Spread over 30 days (see previous 'model') 30 days either side of peak that'd suggest (planning figures) = 580pd, peaking at (estimate) 1160pd. (NB Latest figure (12 Jun) is 187pd on 8 Jun and the peak in January was 4,232pd (7-day average).)
To reiterate: "Put it this way, it's not going to be in the thousands, and the NHS can handle it (see Test 2).
[By all means flag these analyses and use them as a stick to beat me in late August.]"

Quoting @McWobble “if the hospitalisation fraction for the vaccinated really is 1% of those who become ill, I'd expect total numbers to be 10-15% lower than my above figure [“a peak of 4,800 hospitalisations per day.”]”
My estimate was a peak of 1160pd. I had not referred to herd immunity in my estimates.
28 Jun: How are we going? They seem to have stopped publishing hospital admissions: last data are 227 on 22 Jun: a steady increase of about 3 per day (UK).
To a post made on the 13th June?
 

classic33

Leg End Member
You're right: I responded on the 13th. Very well spotted. How do you think hospitalisations will go, @classic33 ?
Slight increase locally last week. Whether they go up this week remains to be seen. But, according to the council, cases are on the rise.

Problem is the local health service is split across two councils. One has a higher case rate than the other.
 

midlife

Guru
Something is a bit different in the last week or so. Clinics and operations changed and cancelled as staff are told to self isolate.

Either test and trace are stepping up to the plate or there is more virus circulating in the community. Hope the impact on NHS services due to staff isolating doesn't derail getting back on track.....
 

classic33

Leg End Member
Ireland may delay indoor dining for a further two weeks, due to an increase in the new variant.
Did they open/start too soon here?
 

Johnno260

Guru
Location
East Sussex
I had some people questioning the numbers going up, but the vaccinated numbers rising as well.

All I could think was it may show the vaccine is working to stop some infections but also it’s reducing the severity of the illness
 
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