Coronavirus outbreak

[mjr]

I've added in Hospitalisations from the same data set.

Same source (our world in data) but not same data set. The hospitalisations graph you've posted finishes 10 days earlier than the cases graph.

 

[fossyant]

Lots of Delta variants in London and Scotland next week.

 

[classic33]

How is that percentage calculated? If city-dwellers are on average younger and/or people with long-term health problems prefer to convalesce in the countryside, both of which seem likely, then the cities could not have as high a % vaccinated due to the JCVI's prioritisation and they might be bang on target, so it would be wrong to say they are "trailing" and "appallingly bad". Also, if the area population estimates are incorrect, that could make a big difference.

What would be useful is a "% take-up" map, showing what % of those invited have accepted.

Define "city dweller". Then explain why they should be younger.

 

[mjr]

Define "city dweller". Then explain why they should be younger.

A city dweller is someone who lives in a city.

I don't say they SHOULD be younger. They just are, on average. In 2018, the average age of the UK was 40, while the average age of all UK cities was 38 and London was 36. Youngest city was Slough at average 33, then Oxford at 34.

 

[classic33]

A city dweller is someone who lives in a city.

I don't say they SHOULD be younger. They just are, on average. In 2018, the average age of the UK was 40, while the average age of all UK cities was 38 and London was 36. Youngest city was Slough at average 33, then Oxford at 34.

Just average, not actual age.
Half of Leeds(City) is over 50.
Average age is 38, means there's a lot of young folk there.

 

[mjr]

Just average, not actual age.
Half of Leeds(City) is over 50.
Average age is 38, means there's a lot of young folk there.

Exactly the point I was making! Being younger on average, they will have been invited for vaccination later on average, so cities will appear lighter on that vaccination percentage map, even if nothing much else is different.

 

[neil_merseyside]

Just average, not actual age.
Half of Leeds(City) is over 50.
Average age is 38, means there's a lot of young folk there.

Oh hang on we don't like facts here, we like vague (and magnolia (beige if you must)) but certainly not numbers that can be argued with

 

[classic33]

Exactly the point I was making! Being younger on average, they will have been invited for vaccination later on average, so cities will appear lighter on that vaccination percentage map, even if nothing much else is different.

Home to a student population close to 40,000. Living in very close proximity to one another.

What age(s), and how many would be needed to bring the average age below the other half of the cities population?

There's too many variables being used to prove a point.

 

[Bromptonaut]

Home to a student population close to 40,000. Living in very close proximity to one another.

Students are one young cohort. Another is professionals at the start of their careers living a bit like students in bedsits and shared houses. At/after their mid twenties they'll begin to drift out to the suburbs and beyond.

 

[lane]

A city dweller is someone who lives in a city.

I don't say they SHOULD be younger. They just are, on average. In 2018, the average age of the UK was 40, while the average age of all UK cities was 38 and London was 36. Youngest city was Slough at average 33, then Oxford at 34.

We had this discussion before when done someone posted areas with low rates - one area was actually titled something like Nottingham Trent university - go figure!

 

[classic33]

We had this discussion before when done someone posted areas with low rates - one area was actually titled something like Nottingham Trent university - go figure!

Point I was trying to make was that a large part of the population of the City of Leeds is living in close proximity to one another. Students were chosen as one group which falls into both the younger age and the close proximity living.

There's others living in close proximity, tower blocks for instance, as well as back to back housing. No, or small gardens. But this will include those over the age of 50. Age is just one factor in this, not the only or deciding factor.

 

[Unkraut]

What do you think my chances are of France changing it's entry criteria for the UK in the next month? I think very low...

I honestly don't know. I have read that France is easing restrictions from the end of this month - opening of cafes, restaurants, fitness studios, exhibitions ..., all with restrictions on numbers. Visits by tourists from outside of Europe possible with health pass, i.e. certificate of vaccination, recovery or negative test. I got this from our local radio station blog. The UK might be considered 'green' if the Indian variant is not completely out of control, but I would have thought a vaccination certificate would still enable travel.

I don't think the situation is hopeless as vaccination does enable more normal activity, and another summer season without income will see many tourist branches go to the wall.

There have been some murmurings about the situation in Lisbon Portugal - the variant there is thought to have been imported by British tourists and/or workers from Asia. There is also some disquiet over London hosting the football finals.

The vaccination quota here has finally reached half the population for one dose and nearly a third for the second. I believe France is a bit behind on this, but the rate has certainly improved since the wobbly start. I get dose number 2 at 15:26 this afternoon!

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Well, we've done the deed and cancelled our holiday. Our 19yo got his first vaccine yesterday, but the French govt demands two jabs plus two weeks, and restrictions on UK nationals travelling seem to be only getting tighter.

So no swimming in Lac du Bourget, no lacets de Grand Colombier on the tandem.

A week in west Wales and a week on the Isle of Wight instead. Dictated by the minimal availability (and eye-watering prices) of UK self catering. Still, two areas we don't know and we'll have a good time.

And hell, it was worth it for Johnson to keep open the possibility of a photo op fit a few weeks.

 

[lane]

Well, we've done the deed and cancelled our holiday. Our 19yo got his first vaccine yesterday, but the French govt demands two jabs plus two weeks, and restrictions on UK nationals travelling seem to be only getting tighter.

So no swimming in Lac du Bourget, no lacets de Grand Colombier on the tandem.

A week in west Wales and a week on the Isle of Wight instead. Dictated by the minimal availability (and eye-watering prices) of UK self catering. Still, two areas we don't know and we'll have a good time.

And hell, it was worth it for Johnson to keep open the possibility of a photo op fit a few weeks.

The like for your final para. Hope you have a good holiday.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Hope you have a good holiday.

It'll be great. Very frustrating, but first world problems.