rockyroller
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some schools in New Hampshire (U.S.) are making masks optional ...
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Ajax Bay
Guru
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- East Devon
It's difficult to engage with this as it's not clear, to me anyway, what the issue is, when they were trying to get WHO to change, and to what extent 'airborne transmission/infection was not being taken seriously. Give us a link, perhaps? It obviously made an impact on you.
The balance between aerosol inhalation infection and infection from fomite contact has moved steadily to the former. Hence the whole 'hands' thing would have been better used for a snappy word for ventilation.
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
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- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
That's the article I linked! The trouble with the idea of making the medics at WHO and CDC and others "accountab[le] for giving out wrong info that costs lives" is that the wrong info came from long-established medical texts. Do you think we really should punish people for passing on what they were taught? If they didn't accept at least most of what was in those textbooks, they probably wouldn't have graduated and never would have got their job!
Also, there might be a chilling effect if we make medics think they can be punished if they base anything on established facts rather than laboriously checking everything, or at least accepting every reasonable challenge. The potential perverse incentive for cover-ups and conspiracies would make the "big pharma" conspiracy theories seem trivial.
So, instead, do you want to punish the authors of the incorrect texts? In this case, because the error dates back to the mid-1960s, most of them were probably either basing their work on older incorrect texts, or are dead by now: Alexander Langmuir — named in the article as part of the confusion but not definitely the one who made the error — died in 1993.
Please, if you can make a good argument for who should be held responsible for this deadly mistake, write it now...
Ajax Bay
Guru
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- East Devon
Spector has reported that symptoms experienced with infection by the Delta variant differ from both the original and the Alpha variant.
His team have been analysing the symptoms submitted by all app users and have noticed they’re not the same as they once were.
The number one symptom now is headache, followed by sore throat, runny nose and fever – “all those are not the old classic symptoms.
”[Symptom] number five is cough. It’s rarer, and we don’t even see loss of smell coming into the top 10 anymore. This variant seems to be working slightly differently.”
I hope this gets decent UK-wide publicity (John Cambell referred to it in yesterday's daily dit). The concern is that the symptoms have shifted a lot and don't match the government symptom lists very well anymore. A bit too close for comfort to symptoms for hay-fever and summer colds.
His team have been analysing the symptoms submitted by all app users and have noticed they’re not the same as they once were.
The number one symptom now is headache, followed by sore throat, runny nose and fever – “all those are not the old classic symptoms.
”[Symptom] number five is cough. It’s rarer, and we don’t even see loss of smell coming into the top 10 anymore. This variant seems to be working slightly differently.”
I hope this gets decent UK-wide publicity (John Cambell referred to it in yesterday's daily dit). The concern is that the symptoms have shifted a lot and don't match the government symptom lists very well anymore. A bit too close for comfort to symptoms for hay-fever and summer colds.
midlife
Guru
That's interesting. My employer sends almost daily emails but change in symptoms not mentioned. We phone all patients before they attend and ask if they have any symptoms (government) and then again on arrival.
The only thing we do differently is not take their temp any more.
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
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- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
Here:
I think it is unworkable in general. Some misinformation campaigns might be punishable, but even that is not simple.
Ajax Bay
Guru
- Location
- East Devon
Recommend a 2 minute listen (from @4:00) He makes the point that the 'mainstream media' have not picked this up.
View: https://youtu.be/ImzsGesBApM?t=243
Ajax Bay
Guru
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- East Devon
Good MIT article for those who may be interested in why the Delta variant has a transmissibility advantage: Edit: the adjusted odds of household infection was 1.64 (95%CI 1.26-2.13, p <0.001) among those with Delta variant compared to those Alpha variant.
https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/06/10/1026090/delta-covid-19-variant-more-infectious/
https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/06/10/1026090/delta-covid-19-variant-more-infectious/
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Beebo
Firm and Fruity
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- Hexleybeef
How about suggesting bleach or sun light. Or constantly pushing untested drugs etc etc.
On the news tonight the usual test positive graph was shown.
Surely this is now of limited value?
In earlier phases, positive tests today translated as baked in hospitalisation in 7/10 days later and deaths after 2/3 weeks.
Now with a significant number vaccinated that correspondence is broken.
Surely this is now of limited value?
In earlier phases, positive tests today translated as baked in hospitalisation in 7/10 days later and deaths after 2/3 weeks.
Now with a significant number vaccinated that correspondence is broken.
lane
Veteran
It seems reasonable to me if you have provided poor advice that has resulted in significant loss of life you should be accountable. If you can show that in all the circumstances you acted reasonably or to the best of your knowledge then you have nothing to worry about but you have still been held to account. It may well be though, that despite the text books being wrong or whatever, you were still negligent because you did not change your advice quickly enough, or you could on balance have provided advice that in the circumstances might have saved lives without any significant downside even though the science was not 100%. Or you need to account for the fact that other people gave better advice than you did based on the same set of information that everybody had access to. Hopefully the people advising Government and advising the public (often incorrectly) will be held to account in the public enquiry and will have to defend their actions. What happens if they are found to be negligent I am not sure.
We can't, in this country, hold Trump to account, that is for the USA to do. I doubt many people in this country followed his advice in any case.
