rockyroller
Guru
- Location
- 20 miles northwest of Boston, MA
that country is on fire. I read a cpl individual sad stories
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deptfordmarmoset
Full time tea drinker
- Location
- Armonmy Way
It hinges on whether they could have the power to enforce safety. But once they're out of the airport and customs, doesn't that power pass to the police? And are the police sufficiently resourced for that?
classic33
Leg End Member
They don't allow them to leave airport property. As part of being allowed into the country.
rockyroller
Guru
- Location
- 20 miles northwest of Boston, MA
reminds me of the movie : "The Terminal" where the Chief Airport Director wanted Tom Hanks character off his hands
good rental, BTW
deptfordmarmoset
Full time tea drinker
- Location
- Armonmy Way
Sorry, I thought they were quarantined in hotels, which are clearly not airport property, but I'll drop it there. My concern isn't international travel, reuniting families, etc, it's the risk of contagion and the organisational ability to minimise that risk.
DRM
Guru
- Location
- West Yorks
They shouldn't be travelling from here to anywhere in the first place, so why should they come back here, and start infecting everyone else, particularly their loved ones, even if they couldn't care less about the rest of us
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
BBC Look East this morning reports 001Doctor have been sending returning-traveller swab test results quickly: without the test kits being sent back! Reportedly, they told their customers it was an error due to exceptional demand. It is not clear how many fake negative certificates have been emailed out.
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
Isn't that only true for "red list" countries? Which India is not until tomorrow.
deptfordmarmoset
Full time tea drinker
- Location
- Armonmy Way
Remember Track and Trace? There's a new one - https://www.transparency.org.uk/track-and-trace-uk-PPE-procurement-corruption-risk-VIP-lane-research. I got the link to the report from https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...acts-raised-red-flags-for-possible-corruption
Ajax Bay
Guru
- Location
- East Devon
Perfectly reasonable need to get back, once they are there.
But are there data on the spread of reasons that the outward travel was made? To one country or another. I assume that the volume of travel to India is mostly family/arranged marriage/funeral rather than work related. I for one have not seen my nonogenarian mother for over 6 months, and she lives in this country. Do the airlines police reasons for travel?
This is an overview of reasonable excuses for international travel from the UK.
For a longer list, see the regulations.
Work Travel for business or work purposes where it is not reasonably possible to complete that work within the UK.
Volunteering To provide voluntary services, where it is not reasonably possible to provide those voluntary services from within the UK.
Education For academic studies or professional qualifications where physical presence outside the UK is reasonably necessary or where activities must be completed overseas. An international student studying in the UK can travel outside the UK to return home on one occasion before 29 April 2021 for the purposes of a vacation.
Medical or visits to provide care
Weddings or civil partnerships You can only travel out of the UK to attend your wedding or civil partnership, or a close family member’s wedding or civil partnership. In both cases one or both people getting married or entering into a civil partnership must live outside the UK.
Funerals It is still a reasonable excuse to travel abroad for a funeral, but it will not be a reasonable excuse to travel for commemorative events, or to visit a burial ground.
Other reasonable excuses There are further reasonable excuses, for example:
- to fulfil legal obligations
- to carry out activities related to buying, selling, letting or renting a residential property
- travel in order to exercise custody rights
- for the purposes of arrangements for contact between siblings where they do not live in the same country and one or more of them is in local authority care or equivalent from another country
- to vote in a referendum or election held outside of the UK and it is not reasonably possible to vote in the UK
- to present oneself to a judicial or administrative authority
vickster
Legendary Member
I have no idea. There are people who will need to travel for work all over the world, commercial but also charity workers etc.
I’m all in favour of strict testing and strictly policed quarantine for all arrivals.
You can see your mother for care reasons if you need to
Ajax Bay
Guru
- Location
- East Devon
Indoors/Outdoors - what are the odds of infection?
There have now been a number of studies that have attempted to quantify the risk of outdoor COVID-19 spread.
Last October, Chinese researchers published a paper in the journal Indoor Air that compiled information on 7,324 cases and included information about where the virus was caught. Only one documented outbreak occurred outdoors, in a village in Shangqiu, Henan—where a 27-year-old man became infected after having a conversation outdoors with a carrier in January 2020.
More recently, the Irish Times sought information from government authorities on 232,164 cases of COVID caught in the country until March 24, 2021. In total, 262 involved outdoor transmission, representing just 0.1 percent of the total.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-55680305
https://assets.publishing.service.g...ors_contributing_to_risk_of_SARS_18122020.pdf
"Environment - Evidence continues to suggest that the vast majority of transmission happens in indoor spaces; recent reviews considering data from several countries found very little evidence of outdoor transmission for SARS-CoV-2, influenza or other respiratory viruses."
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.04.20188417v2
Points out that it is likely to be closed/indoors and proximity activities associated with an outdoor 'event' which is much more likely to be the transmission 'opportunity' (eg indoor drink/snacking afterwards or sharing transport to/from event). Parkrun funded research.
There have now been a number of studies that have attempted to quantify the risk of outdoor COVID-19 spread.
Last October, Chinese researchers published a paper in the journal Indoor Air that compiled information on 7,324 cases and included information about where the virus was caught. Only one documented outbreak occurred outdoors, in a village in Shangqiu, Henan—where a 27-year-old man became infected after having a conversation outdoors with a carrier in January 2020.
More recently, the Irish Times sought information from government authorities on 232,164 cases of COVID caught in the country until March 24, 2021. In total, 262 involved outdoor transmission, representing just 0.1 percent of the total.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-55680305
https://assets.publishing.service.g...ors_contributing_to_risk_of_SARS_18122020.pdf
"Environment - Evidence continues to suggest that the vast majority of transmission happens in indoor spaces; recent reviews considering data from several countries found very little evidence of outdoor transmission for SARS-CoV-2, influenza or other respiratory viruses."
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.04.20188417v2
Points out that it is likely to be closed/indoors and proximity activities associated with an outdoor 'event' which is much more likely to be the transmission 'opportunity' (eg indoor drink/snacking afterwards or sharing transport to/from event). Parkrun funded research.
rockyroller
Guru
- Location
- 20 miles northwest of Boston, MA
when they lift mask mandates must it be all or nothing? why can't they say something like, it's ok to be outside, 6 ft away from ppl w/o your mask. I'm really tired of riding my bike w/ a freaking mask on
