Coronavirus outbreak

[SpokeyDokey]

I have a funny feeling outside exercise will be restricted.

After witnessing the supermarket last week when the online delivery failed to deliver 50% of the food they need to control those better, there is zero distancing, and if someone is challenged over not wearing a mask or distancing then tempers flare.

This whole situation has made me face palm daily about how entitled some people are, I thought kids where bad but these supposed adults have a loose wire.

Social media has a lot to answer for, free speech sure but fanning some of these tin foil conspiracies isn’t acceptable.

People like Katie Hopkins have a lot to answer as well.

Like I have said before, ants have a better social morale compass then some people.

Already being cited on news channels as the next step.

FWIW - I think the restriction should be exercise locally (with a radius figure) and on a household member/bubble basis only. With NO exceptions - and that includes cycling and those people who have signed the petition to open golf courses. The latter obviously having no concept of 'the thin end of the wedge' (pun intended).

 

[tom73]

I have a funny feeling outside exercise will be restricted.

After witnessing the supermarket last week when the online delivery failed to deliver 50% of the food they need to control those better, there is zero distancing, and if someone is challenged over not wearing a mask or distancing then tempers flare.

This whole situation has made me face palm daily about how entitled some people are, I thought kids where bad but these supposed adults have a loose wire.

Social media has a lot to answer for, free speech sure but fanning some of these tin foil conspiracies isn’t acceptable.

People like Katie Hopkins have a lot to answer as well.

Like I have said before, ants have a better social morale compass then some people.

Shops need to get on board with this and get staff to fully understand they have a part in this too. Late yesterday afternoon a neighbour who's shielding ask me to go and get a bit of food shopping. So I call into our local tesco express One of the staff asked her supervisor if she can take off her masked when she's behind the till. Yes that ok she got told, as if an airborne virus is stopped by a plastic screen.
Why did she ask she complained her nose get sweaty sorry but get real if the likes of my and your wife can wear a much worse mask for 12 hours then she can cope. If she thinks that uncomfortable lord help her she get's covid and needs CPAP or worse then she will really have problems. Staff standing close to each other talking away or not even trying to avoid customers even when they can get out the way is not helping either.

 

[SpokeyDokey]

No.

Is the idea is to restore the priority treatment of cities, with a distracting sop to Stevenage to maybe line them up for an early derestriction trial to silence their anti-lockdown MP?

I too was trying to fathom the logic of Stevenage tbh - can't find anything that alludes to it on the web.

In the course of my (admittedly brief) 'research' I have noted that South Lakeland where I live is unlikely to have a MVC located here as we are right near the bottom of the population density list at #311.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_districts_by_population_density

 

[tom73]

Already being cited on news channels as the next step.

FWIW - I think the restriction should be exercise locally (with a radius figure) and on a household member/bubble basis only. With NO exceptions - and that includes cycling and those people who have signed the petition to open golf courses. The latter obviously having no concept of 'the thin end of the wedge' (pun intended).

That leads onto the other big problem around bubbles, too many people are setting them up I know a good few who have more than one , childcare bubbles are the same and are being used as a way to socialise with others. I'm having issue at the moment with SIL who's in one with in-laws (both over 70). Her household is round all the time as if nothing is happening. Household mixing is a key driver of this thing and some very clear advice needs to get out. The guidelines are clear but not much is said about them. Whitty was very clear today taking pains to repeat it. If you do to need to meet up with anyone then don't.

 

[CanucksTraveller]

I too was trying to fathom the logic of Stevenage tbh - can't find anything that alludes to it on the web.

Stevenage is a big town (pop 90k) and it's on the main train lines from Cambridge and Peterborough to London and onwards (both lines have many "dormitory" towns along them), so easily reached for many hundreds of thousands more. The vaccination centre is also literally about 3 minutes off the A1. There was a significant council property available immediately... It seems to make perfectly good sense.

 

[Rezillo]

Due to covid or with covid?

I don't know about the US but in the UK, a published analysis from last October that involved looking at deaths with the underlying cause being Covid-19 rather than just Covid being present on the death certificate, has:

"Between 1 January and 31 August 2020, 52,327 deaths in England and Wales involved COVID-19. Out of these, 48,168 deaths were due to COVID-19: that is, COVID-19 was the underlying cause. This was 12.4% of all deaths for the period (389,835 deaths). In the same period 69,781 deaths involved pneumonia and 506 deaths involved influenza: out of these, 13,619 and 394 deaths were due to pneumonia and influenza respectively".

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...deathsoccurringbetween1januaryand31august2020

There may be more recent studies - the one above was for a flu comparison.

What the above translates to is that in the UK 92% of deaths with Covid on the death cert from January to August last year had Covid as the underlying cause of death. It is unlikely to be radically different in the US but I'm not familiar with how the US records its cases, so I could be wrong.

 

[SpokeyDokey]

Our GP practice was running drive in vaccinations for the elderly this weekend. Still no vaccination for the local care homes, where the risk is highest.

Oh and my brother is fuming. His business partner is off sick with Covid. He half owns a dental practice, and they have now lost half the appointments whilst his partner recovers. Said partner's brother fled London just before Christmas to spend it with his sister , the whole family caught it. 'Oh it wasn't from my brother she said'. My brother hasn't been squeaky clean over Christmas either, as he spend Christmas day with the in-laws and his missus 3 sister's families (five in total).

I've come to the conclusion that higher intelligence has no bearing on ability/desire to comply with rules/regulations.

Your family situation sounds similar to some elements of mine.

Fed up to the back teeth with them and I wish that there was some way to shove them to the back of the vaccination rollout schedule.

 

[SpokeyDokey]

Stevenage is a big town (pop 90k) and it's on the main train lines from Cambridge and Peterborough to London and onwards (both lines have many "dormitory" towns along them), so easily reached for many hundreds of thousands more. The vaccination centre is also literally about 3 minutes off the A1. There was a significant council property available immediately... It seems to make perfectly good sense.

Thank you.

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

I too was trying to fathom the logic of Stevenage tbh - can't find anything that alludes to it on the web.

In the course of my (admittedly brief) 'research' I have noted that South Lakeland where I live is unlikely to have a MVC located here as we are right near the bottom of the population density list at #311.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_districts_by_population_density

The MP for Stevenage, McPartland, is one of Hertfordshire's anti-lockdowners.

 

[fossyant]

I've come to the conclusion that higher intelligence has no bearing on ability/desire to comply with rules/regulations.

Your family situation sounds similar to some elements of mine.

Fed up to the back teeth with them and I wish that there was some way to shove them to the back of the vaccination rollout schedule.

It's basically my brother's missus - she's lovely, but won't be told she can't see family. They are all working in 'risky' areas - 2 in school, 2 NHS (one looking after Covid patients) and 1 in the Prison Service. All we'' educated, but just said 'life is for living'. It's not us that are at risk - nana and grandad is where the risk is.

 

[SpokeyDokey]

That leads onto the other big problem around bubbles, too many people are setting them up I know a good few who have more than one , childcare bubbles are the same and are being used as a way to socialise with others. I'm having issue at the moment with SIL who's in one with in-laws (both over 70). Her household is round all the time as if nothing is happening. Household mixing is a key driver of this thing and some very clear advice needs to get out. The guidelines are clear but not much is said about them. Whitty was very clear today taking pains to repeat it. If you do to need to meet up with anyone then don't.

Honestly Tom - this type of issue has become quite big in our household. It is straining some family and friendship relationships to the limit.

We cannot countenance even speaking to some of them right now. We don't want to permanently damage the relationships but some people will just not listen.

What do you do when someone says "***k the rules, no one is stopping me seeing my kids"? Three London households involved one of which is home to two NHS medical staff!!!

I'm generally quite upbeat re our ability to get on top of this situation compared to some but the above is dragging me down.

 

[SpokeyDokey]

It's basically my brother's missus - she's lovely, but won't be told she can't see family. They are all working in 'risky' areas - 2 in school, 2 NHS (one looking after Covid patients) and 1 in the Prison Service. All we'' educated, but just said 'life is for living'. It's not us that are at risk - nana and grandad is where the risk is.

We are picking up the same vibes from other friends of ours ie they are doing the right thing but people they are close to just aren't.

One friend of ours has ranted at four of her friends since Xmas for non-compliance and all four relationships have collapsed.

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

I've said it before but I despair at our local convenience store. It's in clear view of my window as I type and around 50% of the locals don't wear a mask when they go in. I asked the owner last week if he wasn't worried about this (he always wears a mask himself) and he just shrugged. If I were looking at transmission hubs, I wouldn't be looking at supermarkets where compliance is high, I'd be looking at the smaller independents.

 

[Unkraut]

Honestly Tom - this type of issue has become quite big in our household. It is straining some family and friendship relationships to the limit.

We cannot countenance even speaking to some of them right now. We don't want to permanently damage the relationships but some people will just not listen.

I don't think there is any easy answer to this. When people are putting their own and others' lives at risk, you could argue there is some kind of moral obligation to try to get them to see sense and obey the rules. They might one day thank you for it - and at least you can have a clear conscience that you tried even if unsuccessful.

What I don't understand is going by the anecdotal evidence on the corona threads here this is seemingly widespread. Where are people getting the information from that the virus is relatively harmless and you don't need to bother with any restrictions? Do they not see the footage of what is happening in hospitals in places of massive rates of infection?

 

[tom73]

Honestly Tom - this type of issue has become quite big in our household. It is straining some family and friendship relationships to the limit.

We cannot countenance even speaking to some of them right now. We don't want to permanently damage the relationships but some people will just not listen.

What do you do when someone says "***k the rules, no one is stopping me seeing my kids"? Three London households involved one of which is home to two NHS medical staff!!!

I'm generally quite upbeat re our ability to get on top of this situation compared to some but the above is dragging me down.

Same here both my BIL's are just as bad but yet they all went out and clamped for big sis if they real want to help her just do what's been asked. They all live away from us it's less an issue at home though between me and Mrs 73 we've argued not to talk about.