Coronavirus outbreak

[mjr]

So what?

So that's what @BoldonLad was looking for in https://www.cyclechat.net/threads/coronavirus-outbreak.256913/post-6259479

Go argue with that post, not mine. I was mainly pointing out it was not quite what was sought. I don't much care about how often they're published, as I'm millions back in the queue and staying apart for the foreseeable.

 

[mjr]

I suspect vaccine supply will be the limiting factor rather than appointment slots. I can't see many people wanting to turn up at their surgery at 3am either.

All the better for me, then! At last I'd get some benefit of past medication having messed up my sleeping!

 

[BoldonLad]

So that's what @BoldonLad was looking for in https://www.cyclechat.net/threads/coronavirus-outbreak.256913/post-6259479

Go argue with that post, not mine. I don't much care about how often they're published, as I'm millions back in the queue and staying apart for the foreseeable.

Indeed it was.

My guess is we are about 10million down the queue (two 73 year olds, one with Heart Condition, one Cancer survivor and TIA history).

I just like to see some facts (not an insignificant request, in present circumstances). We obviously have a different view on what "arguing with" is.

 

[johnblack]

I suspect vaccine supply will be the limiting factor rather than appointment slots. I can't see many people wanting to turn up at their surgery at 3am either.

I think there would be absolutely loads of people that would be happy to go at anytime of day

 

[mjr]

Two interesting developments in Belgium (not yet suffering a third wave):
1. covid controllers going into workplaces with the power to order them to allow more teleworking and to fine them (up to €48'000) or close them if they do not comply; (some info in French at https://www.rtbf.be/info/societe/de...uelles-sont-les-regles-en-vigueur?id=10666283 )
2. bus companies given the power to fine passengers not wearing masks correctly (including nose-peepers). Enforcement on trains and metro is still by the transport police.

Also, they say they've only found four of the Kent variant so far, all near the Dutch border.

 

[Edwardoka]

Two interesting developments in Belgium (not yet suffering a third wave):
1. covid controllers going into workplaces with the power to order them to allow more teleworking and to fine them (up to €48'000) or close them if they do not comply; (some info in French at https://www.rtbf.be/info/societe/de...uelles-sont-les-regles-en-vigueur?id=10666283 )
2. bus companies given the power to fine passengers not wearing masks correctly (including nose-peepers). Enforcement on trains and metro is still by the transport police.

Also, they say they've only found four of the Kent variant so far, all near the Dutch border.

Nice to see our neighbours doing enforcement. None of that here, of course. We're all too terribly polite.

The existence of nose peepers enrages me. It's been over a year since this virus first appeared, they have literally no excuse.

 

[matticus]

Are any other major 1st world nations having an Unhappy New Year wave? (don't bother mentioing the US - they're in a different world!)
(appreciate that "waves" are quite hard to define - soz ... )

 

[vickster]

Are any other major 1st world nations having an Unhappy New Year wave? (don't bother mentioing the US - they're in a different world!)
(appreciate that "waves" are quite hard to define - soz ... )

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

 

[mjr]

Are any other major 1st world nations having an Unhappy New Year wave? (don't bother mentioing the US - they're in a different world!)
(appreciate that "waves" are quite hard to define - soz ... )

Depends what is major. I posted the "big five" western European graph and a "weaker lockdowns" graph a couple of days ago, maybe here or in the vaccine thread. None were worse than us.

Looking at the FT's all countries chart, Slovenia, Czechia and Slovakia are arguably having a big third wave now. Lithuania is also looking high but this seems like their second.

 

[MrGrumpy]

“Conspiracy mode on “ was listening to 5 Live this morning driving into work, a guy getting interviewed , data analyst type. Anyway he was going on about how Flu was down this year due to restrictions in place. He didn’t say zero but it was close to minimal. So what’s going wrong here with Covid then ?? Maybe we got the wrong end of the stick ! All a bit strange really ? Restrictions working for Flu but not COVID

 

[DaveReading]

“Conspiracy mode on “ was listening to 5 Live this morning driving into work, a guy getting interviewed , data analyst type. Anyway he was going on about how Flu was down this year due to restrictions in place. He didn’t say zero but it was close to minimal. So what’s going wrong here with Covid then ?? Maybe we got the wrong end of the stick ! All a bit strange really ? Restrictions working for Flu but not COVID

Flu infections may not be down by as much as you think.

Don't forget that anyone killed by flu who has had a positive Covid test in the previous 28 days gets classed as a Covid death, not a flu one.

 

[MrGrumpy]

It still raises more questions than it answers!!

 

[Julia9054]

It still raises more questions than it answers!!

Covid19 is more infectious with an R0 of close to 3 (some estimates put it higher). Flu has an R0 of around 1.3 depending on the strain. So infection control measures that slow covid19 may almost stop flu.
Covid19 is infectious before symptoms for roughly twice as long as flu.
In addition, more people than usual have been vaccinated against flu this year.

 

[kingrollo]

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It looks like I'm 15,000,000th in the queue.

I don't think it will be that linear. I think for example if you have a GP apt and are in one of the top 4 groups - they might just jab you there and then.

 

[kingrollo]

This is a wartime situation. Vaccines should be rolled out 24/7. Urgent is an understatement.

The GPs won't like that - they only work 11-3 !!!

There are other issues as well - a world shortage of vials for one.