Coronavirus outbreak

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Accy cyclist

Legendary Member
The Express is rumouring lengthy school but not university closures. Bonkers if true.
The DM is actually reporting on how much some elderly victims (i won't link it) houses are worth. Their obsession with wealth is offensive! They seem to think that wealthy people dying is worse than the less well off dying. One sentence in a report said "The elderly couple(in Italy)left behind a villa worth 1.5 million Euros". I don't know if the Dm thinks this is ok,or is the paper doing it to wind people up?
 

marinyork

Resting in suspended Animation
Location
Logopolis
One of our Nursing Lecturers commented how bad the student hygiene was in the toilets. Still not washing hands. My hands are now incredibly dry. Other than going round in a hazmat suit, no amount of washing/sanitiser is going to help

This guy was one of the better ones.

I see it every year with winter flu, people coming in, presenteeism, people catching stuff which very broadly has a link to how much handwashing or other things. You can still catch things, it just really doesn't help.
 

Johnno260

Guru
Location
East Sussex
whatever the government do will be wrong to someone, it's a crap situation made worse by bad reporting, scaremongers and panic buying.

It's a fine line between a good isolation period and totally messing it up, too soon, or too short and it won't be effective.

I don't envy anyone having to deal with this issue on a national/international level.
 

Dave7

Legendary Member
Location
Cheshire
"People in Scotland should prepare for major changes to their lives as the response to the coronavirus is stepped up"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-51851341


The rest of my family is already working from home but that's not feasible for me. Won't matter much really as I've got two weeks' leave coming this weekend so I'll be in the house. Got plenty of food, just need to get enough in for the cats for a few weeks.
Never mind food. You can live without food. Have you got enough bog roll ?
 
Location
London
The US has some particular problems due to er... Trump! Firstly, if your health insurance doesn't cover testing, then you have to pay for it. Many people cannot or will not pay to be tested. Secondly USA has no such thing as statutory sick pay, so social distancing measures such as making people stay home on sick pay will be impossible.
To be fair the issue goes way way back from trump. I well remember telling someone about 35 years ago that i didn't consider the states civilised because of its health system.
But yes trump is a complete twat.
Be interesting to see how this affects his popularity. Here's hoping for some decent reporting.
Any of our US members on here in a position to tell us about US media coverage of his increasingly batshit comments?
 

RecordAceFromNew

Swinging Member
Location
West London
I will try and make clear what I wrote up-thread. I believe the 'plan' (if there is actually one) is to try to balance the short term health hit with the longer term health and economy hit. If the Government shuts down the whole country then a number of problems arise. The economic damage would be huge, we would be delaying the inevitable as even if we self isolate, sooner or later we have to get out of isolation as I guess 2 weeks would be the maximum we could cope with, when we come out of isolation Bang! infection rates go up. In addition, if we isolate we potentially cause more problems, if the schools close, then Mummy and Daddy who should be at work in the NHS or care homes are now unable to come to work as they are looking after Jnr. If Mummy and Daddy have their parents around then perhaps Jnr goes to Grandma for a while. Grandma is just the person you don't want an infected kid around.

I think the plan is a wait and see approach to try not to have a big peak of cases so the NHS is overwhelmed, but also is not sat around doing nothing. It is simply trying to use the limited resources they have. The bonus is that economically that works best too.

However, I think that we are possibly beyond that control stage as the government needs to be able to predict and model weeks into the future and I guess their models are at the point of trying to put the brakes on the spread. Sooner rather than later we batten down the hatches.

I agree with your last paragraph, but I think the sentiment described above that, that delaying isolation / social distancing can somehow be economically or socially advantageous, is fundamentally flawed.

This thing is like a freight train. The only way to control it, involves isolation/social distancing. If anybody disagrees, please do tell.

So then the question is when to implement, not whether. Then the issue is, are we better off implementing it early, so that fewer people will die, more medical capacity will be available to deal with all the traditional ailments, so that we can come out in weeks or months with fewer scars on our back, or the opposite?

Waiting would of course give rise to more cases, less medical care available to cases, more case leakages, bigger problem, harder to fix, longer problem will last, more difficult to return to any degree of normality etc. etc.

I would have thought the choice is simple. What on earth do we gain by waiting?
 

classic33

Leg End Member
Anyhow, yesterday I woke in Ireland with a mildly sore throat and a headache (which may have been attributable to a surfeit of Jamesons). Instead of going direct to the office (of about 800 peeps) I worked in my hotel room. After establishing that a surfeit of Jamesons was not the cause I took the next flight back home ASAP. Dublin airport mostly empty, lounge empty, flight less than half-full, Heathrow V. empty.
Still have a sore throat and very very mild sense of fever.
Cancelled weekend social events until have seen what develops. Wimps is not working until we know what the score is. Neighbour is Nurse and bf a 111 Paramedic so will take advice.
Was at a dinner party last Sunday sat next to a fellow with a mild cold, assuming that's the case until full 'Coronavirus symptoms' emerge or not.
Well enough to drive a laptop at the moment....
Ireland has just announced new measures to combat the spread, following the first recorded death from the virus.

Schools & colleges close, until the end of the month at the end of today.

You may not have been allowed to travel with the new rules in place.
 

Ming the Merciless

There is no mercy
Location
Inside my skull
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Archie_tect

De Skieven Architek... aka Penfold + Horace
Location
Northumberland
Idly curious to see the Venn diagram of the English cases showing "those who've tested +ve" against "those who've been skiing" and "those who've been on a winter cruise sailing from Southampton"...
 
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