Coronavirus outbreak

[kingrollo]

What's that?

Clinically Extremely Vulnerable

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

I suspect it was because it was Rome. There is an amazing hospital facility in Rome. Lab capacity in Italy, even to this day is spread extremely unequally in Italy.

Thanks. But does that indicate that Rome was already quietly aware of the variant, do you think?

 

[marinyork]

Thanks. But does that indicate that Rome was already quietly aware of the variant, do you think?

I reckon it's quite likely, but I don't trust very much the Italian media say. Matters of national security, who knows.

Italy always was doing a lot of low level monitoring of the virus by flight way before we did. All right so a lot of it was probably a waste of time and security theatre, but today there are proper techniques.

The government in Italy and medical establishments are now aware that the patient 1 narrative in Italy is completely untrue and it was spreading months earlier in Italy. If as a country you learn from that the obvious conclusion is constant vigilance. Not that that is that different for other countries, but Italy is deeply traumatised by wave 1.

Looking back in hindsight the 'north of Pisa' stuff suggests the Italian government may not be as transparent and communicative as one would hope it would be in a pandemic.

The PHE figures are public and paid servants of governments can spend time looking over them, unlike none of us who do it in our spare time. A paid advisor can put the announcement and the figures together as soon as it's announced.

 

[Rezillo]

Grant Shapps has claimed on tv the UK is doing 50% of the genomic sequencing on strains in the world, which is quite a claim given a couple of other countries take this very seriously. It may be why some other countries are claiming not to have the 'new' strain.

Yes - I don't know about the 50% figure but see the last section of this:

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...om-sets-alarms-its-importance-remains-unclear

"But scientists say B.1.1.7 may already be much more widespread. Dutch researchers have found it in a sample from one patient taken in early December, Dutch health minister Hugo de Jonge wrote in a letter to Parliament today. They will try to find out how the patient became infected and if there are related cases. Other countries may well have the variant as well, says epidemiologist William Hanage of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health; the United Kingdom may just have picked it up first because that country has the most sophisticated SARS-CoV-2 genomic monitoring in the world. Many countries have little or no sequencing".

 

[mjr]

About 5% of houses in the Cotswolds, more like 50% in the nice villages, are second homes for London-dwellers. The A419/A417 were apparently rather busy on Sat night as they took the new virus there.

Yes, probably similar in Poppyland and Chelsea-on-sea.

And the presence of so many London tags in the car park yesterday suggests they ain't isolating on arrival for a few days to see if they develop symptoms.

I'm pondering whether to shop in a few days to let the virulent Londoners stock up and be out of the way, to shop now in case panic buyers ravage stocks, or to try to shop only at farm and village shops again even if that means missing many Christmas treats. At least we bought the bird and chestnuts on Friday before the latest migration and veg should be plentiful out here in the fields.

 

[cookiemonster]

.....and how come France seems to have control of its own borders ? - I mean they are in the EU ?

And Schengen.

 

[tom73]

Government advice on shielding been updated for clinically extremely vulnerable.
Anyone in tier 4 now basically back to as before and advised to stay home.
Given the rate things are going anyone not in tier 4 don't panic just be practical and check you are able to change things if you need to.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...ng-extremely-vulnerable-persons-from-covid-19

 

[marinyork]

Keir Starmer calling for daily Boris press conferences.

Nooooooooo........

 

[mjr]

Keir Starmer calling for daily Boris press conferences.

Nooooooooo........

He knows that to see Boris is to loathe Boris, increasingly.

 

[Adam4868]

Keir Starmer calling for daily Boris press conferences.

Nooooooooo........

View: https://twitter.com/omid9/status/1340981682439073792?s=19

 

[kingrollo]

He knows that to see Boris is to loathe Boris, increasingly.

Think he knows Boris doesn't want to be working at the un godly hour of 5pm !!!

 

[Johnno260]

Sweden bulletin.

A colleague's mother died of the disease at the weekend. She (my colleague) sings in a choir in Gothenburg. 60% of the choir have tested positive. The Sweden case rate is accelerating fast and despite our current predicament is still twice ours.

We have MPs advocating that legal restrictions are wrong, and that giving people information and allowing them to make their own decisions is the way forward. Get thee to Sweden!

Sorry to hear this.

On the advocating legal restrictions are wrong, the whole British common sense thing is a joke, I know of so many not using any common sense it's a total joke, the same people complain about nanny state while going to see high risk relatives, the amount of friends and relatives I have nothing to do with due to showing their utter contempt for others is very sad, like I said to one ants have a better social/moral compass then they did.

 

[tom73]

Ramping up mass testing looks to be setting up yet more mess.

View: https://twitter.com/deeksj/status/1340975390412685312?s=21

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Ramping up mass testing looks to be setting up yet more mess.

View: https://twitter.com/deeksj/status/1340975390412685312?s=21

That makes it appear not merely wasteful and useless but positively dangerous to use in schools.

One wonders what on earth the science advice govt got on that.

 

[midlife]

Our public health bod has announced that the new strain is spreading in Cumbria having been detected last Thursday. Not sure how long we will be in tier 2 then !