Coronavirus outbreak

[MarkF]

Whilst I appreciate the narrative you've been pushing all along that we are overreacting I'm very pleased to hear that there is loads of capacity, at least where you work

It's positive news, sorry...

People don't want to spend time in a waiting room with strangers, particularly a hospital waiting room. If this is replicated elsewhere, people only going to A&E with a genuine issue then that will release a good amount of resources to deal with the increasing virus work.

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

I like some butter in my mash, but there are classic French mashed potato recipes that have almost as much butter as potatoes.

The thinking may be that you only have a small portion.

Unlike me - I've been known to wolf down best part of half a kilo.

https://www.foodandwine.com/recipes/mashed-potatoes-kind-robuchon-style

Aye, I've seen a recipe that calls for 3lbs potatos, 1lb butter. Scared to try it

 

[Rocky]

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@roubaixtuesday has it covered. It's really too late due to internal spread and is simply gesture politics....

Atul Gawande absolutely nails it (for the US).....

So whom to trust.....Trump or Gawande?

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Possibly the fact that expensive tours have been arranged this summer to Trump golf courses in Ireland and Scotland for members of a Trump golf club in the USA. Trump Junior is scheduled to attend throughout.
https://www.motherjones.com/politic...ric-trumps-trip-to-his-dads-european-resorts/

The desperate truth is that this is the most convincing explanation I've seen yet for the differentiation.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

From Graun, my bold:

Paul Hunter, Professor in medicine at the University of East Anglia, points out that the science does not support Trump’s European travel ban.

In comments circulated by the Science Media Centre, he said:

“It is uncertain what the US intends to achieve with the recently announced travel ban to the Schengen area of Europe. Many of us have been pointing out since the COVID-19 epidemic began that travel bans have a poor record on preventing the spread of epidemic diseases. At best travel bans only delay the spread of an epidemic by a short while.
The paper published on the 6th March in Science by Chinazzi and colleagues from the US, China and Italy provided further evidence of this opinion and showed that the travel ban in China only delayed the spread internally by 3 to 5 days. Chinazzi also showed that international travel bans are only modestly effective at controlling international spread for a while.
“Introducing an international travel ban at a time when the US is now one of the countries with the most rapidly accelerating internal transmission rates will do little if anything to reduce the burden of infection within the US.”

 

[Blue Hills]

Trump probably accepts his country may lack the health infrastructure for a response similar to that in Europe.

He can only deploy what weapons he has at his disposal.

One of those is restricting international air travel.

To say the US already has it is irrelevant.

We are all locking stable doors after a number of horses have already bolted.

I fear you are crediting trump with any reason and logic beyond his own twisted severely damaged ego pale rider.
Any scientists medical folk anticipating being in a donut with him are in front of a mirror frantically practicing their blank giving nothing away looks. Getting family members to subject them to sudden shocks and trying not to react.
It's in the US and trump's pronouncements are going to become increasingly bizarre.
I mean why exempt the UK from the ban?

 

[fossyant]

Just hoping my colleague's husband didn't pick anything up in Italy. He's self isolating at home, but not so sure the NHS advice to my colleague for her to carry on until symptoms show is all that sound.

 

[RecordAceFromNew]

CDC sat on its hands for over a month:

 

[RecordAceFromNew]

Atul Gawande absolutely nails it (for the US).....



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So whom to trust.....Trump or Gawande?

The more pertinent question, is whose method do we trust? Hongkong/Singapore's or that of our leaders in the West?

 

[kingrollo]

One theory doing the rounds is that the uk is taking a "herd approach"

The goal is that this rips through the country - and those that survive (mostly) will have immunity

The process is to manage \ limit the number of concurrent infections - so the NHS can cope with the 15-20% who require treatment.

Sorta makes sense - but a 56 year asthmatic living not far from Dudley - its a bit concerning !!!

 

[MichaelO]

CDC sat on its hands for over a month:

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What a pathetically low number of tests for a country the size of the US!!!

 

[icowden]

What a pathetically low number of tests for a country the size of the US!!!

The US has some particular problems due to er... Trump! Firstly, if your health insurance doesn't cover testing, then you have to pay for it. Many people cannot or will not pay to be tested. Secondly USA has no such thing as statutory sick pay, so social distancing measures such as making people stay home on sick pay will be impossible.

 

[RecordAceFromNew]

One theory doing the rounds is that the uk is taking a "herd approach"

The goal is that this rips through the country - and those that survive (mostly) will have immunity

The process is to manage \ limit the number of concurrent infections - so the NHS can cope with the 15-20% who require treatment.

Sorta makes sense - but a 56 year asthmatic living not far from Dudley - its a bit concerning !!!

Yeah this is what I read Milkfloat and others have been talking about.

The major flaw is in the second paragraph above. If and when we "let" it rip through the country, well over a million would have died in UK, as I explained previously. How on earth, as a leader of the country, do you explain your "result" to your countrymen and the world at large, when c3000 died in China with a population of 1.4 billions?

I am also aware of the argument that ok once it is controlled in one country, it can come back in waves. Indeed it can. For example, they identified 9 in Hongkong today, but 6 were everybody in a group who came back from holiday in Egypt (think about that - country is hardly ever mentioned regrading the virus), one other is a Cathay Pacific air hostess on their flight. What that means, is that foreign travels, between destination countries of questionable status, will never be the same again. The wider implication, is that the way people travel, work, conduct their daily business, monitoring their health etc. will all have to adapt and change until a vaccine is found and become widely available. The only alternative, since it would overwhelm ICU capacity, is 5% or more of the population dead. The choice is kind of simple...

 

[Mugshot]

Daily Express making things up, again.

A study has not claimed the new coronavirus was ‘genetically engineered for efficient spread in humans’

This week the Daily Express claimed a study found the new coronavirus may have been genetically engineered to spread in the human population.

Full fact link

 

[kingrollo]

Daily Express making things up, again.

A study has not claimed the new coronavirus was ‘genetically engineered for efficient spread in humans’
This week the Daily Express claimed a study found the new coronavirus may have been genetically engineered to spread in the human population.

Full fact link

That paper is a feckin outrage - Everyday without fail since September that have predicted Armageddon type weather - now sure anyone can get the weather wrong now and again - but the sad feckas just want people to click the link !!!! - To hell with the weather will actually be like !!!

I haven't read the above - but my guess is thats its all conjecture and speculation - which in turn causes people to panic