Corona Virus: How Are We Doing?

[PK99]

MrsF's friend texted in a panic yesterday - her teen daughter has tested positive. Further update, she's tested positive too - worried sick ! Hopefully she'll be OK. Teen daughter works in a nursery, but is still going out visiting friends and her boyfriend. So there are a load of folk who will now have to isolate.

Utterly unacceptable behavior.

 

[johnblack]

I think we'll see more problems with the type of person that likes to be seen and heard, than those who are happy in their own company. In some ways the latter have already adjusted to the situation.

The belief that in order to get on in life, you must be seen and heard, above everyone else, is in for a shakeup.

Some people don't want to be on their own and it is not healthy for them. People that do not go out and enjoy the solitary existence haven't had to adjust that much, but wanting to go out, enjoy other peoples company and be social is not about desire to be seen and heard, or wanting to get on, it's an absolute built in part of human nature for most people. To be expected to adjust and conform to an alien way of life is not something that anyone should want or expect and we need to strive to return to normal as soon as it is possible.

 

[classic33]

Some people don't want to be on their own and it is not healthy for them. People that do not go out and enjoy the solitary existence haven't had to adjust that much, but wanting to go out, enjoy other peoples company and be social is not about desire to be seen and heard, or wanting to get on, it's an absolute built in part of human nature for most people. To be expected to adjust and conform to an alien way of life is not something that anyone should want or expect and we need to strive to return to normal as soon as it is possible.

Like it or not, we're all going to have to adjust to a new "normal". My opinion on that is that those who are "happy in their own company" will find this change easier.

It's not about a solitary existence. Some people work better when on their own/left to their own devices to get the work done. Those that find the need to constantly remind others of what they have done, and seek recognition for having done the same work, will find adapting to the new way harder.

 

[marinyork]

Some people don't want to be on their own and it is not healthy for them. People that do not go out and enjoy the solitary existence haven't had to adjust that much, but wanting to go out, enjoy other peoples company and be social is not about desire to be seen and heard, or wanting to get on, it's an absolute built in part of human nature for most people. To be expected to adjust and conform to an alien way of life is not something that anyone should want or expect and we need to strive to return to normal as soon as it is possible.

Most of us have the same needs with lots of variations, there are not many very well adapted or suited to long periods of isolation with uncertainty and constant policy changes on top as well as financial pressures, loss and other things.

Out there on the internet and circles there does seem to be a bit of a false debate between introverts and extroverts for the pandemic in my view. Introverts prefer more downtime and less stimulation, not none! So many people have said yes I'd like to keep a bit of contact with the office etc perhaps seeing people a bit once a week. I think some of the people that have face to face jobs find it hard understanding what is going on. I heard from someone I used to work with who works once a week and was really shocked to learn that I've only seen two people face to face in the last 11 months at uni. She was absolutely stunned and thought I was being a bit moany or exaggerating and she just goes in to work once a week and nothing ever changed apart from eventually wearing face masks.

Some of my extrovert friends with day jobs to go to, decent family lives are getting fed up of lockdown 3 and not just because of the lack of contact even though the drawbridge is up at the chateaux, but activities and things they want to do that don't necessarily involve loads of people and socialising.

 

[Andy in Germany]

To be expected to adjust and conform to an alien way of life is not something that anyone should want or expect

Let us hope the extroverts of this world remember this lesson, if and when we return to "normal"...

 

[PK99]

Let us hope the extroverts of this world remember this lesson, if and when we return to "normal"...

There is talk of a 'Post War' attitude as we emerge from the pandemic.

Starmer looks for a Post WW2 cohesion. Lend me your money, I'll spend it wisely.

But is that likely, or is Post WW1/Spanish Flu hedonism of the Roaring 20s more likely?

Post lockdown hedonism among the young is virtually certain.

But what about those who have had money to spend and have not been able to spend it. Will they choose to spend or lend?

I know many people in this group and there is a real pent-up desire to catch up on a lost year. Restaurant. Socialising. Holidays are the agenda.

 

[johnblack]

There is talk of a 'Post War' attitude as we emerge from the pandemic.

Starmer looks for a Post WW2 cohesion. Lend me your money, I'll spend it wisely.

But is that likely, or is Post WW1/Spanish Flu hedonism of the Roaring 20s more likely?

Post lockdown hedonism among the young is virtually certain.

But what about those who have had money to spend and have not been able to spend it. Will they choose to spend or lend?

I know many people in this group and there is a real pent-up desire to catch up on a lost year. Restaurant. Socialising. Holidays are the agenda.

I'm going full bore as soon as I can, hopefully I'll be able to keep up with my kids!

The economy needs full on hedonism.

 

[Andy in Germany]

There is talk of a 'Post War' attitude as we emerge from the pandemic.

Starmer looks for a Post WW2 cohesion. Lend me your money, I'll spend it wisely.

But is that likely, or is Post WW1/Spanish Flu hedonism of the Roaring 20s more likely?

Post lockdown hedonism among the young is virtually certain.

But what about those who have had money to spend and have not been able to spend it. Will they choose to spend or lend?

I know many people in this group and there is a real pent-up desire to catch up on a lost year. Restaurant. Socialising. Holidays are the agenda.

I was thinking more in terms of @johnblack's assertion that people shouldn't be "expected to adjust and conform to an alien way of life" and expressing hope that extroverts will learn from the experience and stop expecting introverts to adjust and conform to an extrovert's standard of behaviour and lifestyle.

 

[SpokeyDokey]

Already hearing mumblings amongst the 'Older Golfing We're Vaccinated So ***k You' crowd that the Courses need opening asap.

Tossers.

 

[classic33]

Already hearing mumblings amongst the 'Older Golfing We're Vaccinated So ***k You' crowd that the Courses need opening asap.

Tossers.

That last part is putting it mildly.

Having half of a course of treatment doesn't mean you'll never catch it. Or even vaccinated against it.

 

[fossyant]

That last part is putting it mildly.

Having half of a course of treatment doesn't mean you'll never catch it. Or even vaccinated against it.

There are a number of folk ignoring it - I see lots of 'older' groups of walkers out...

 

[johnblack]

I was thinking more in terms of @johnblack's assertion that people shouldn't be "expected to adjust and conform to an alien way of life" and expressing hope that extroverts will learn from the experience and stop expecting introverts to adjust and conform to an extrovert's standard of behaviour and lifestyle.

No I don't want introverts and the solitary to change anything, for many of those, lockdown will have had a far lower impact and so I expect they will carry on and I'm sure there are some that actually wish for lockdown of some sort to carry on indefinitely, I have seen some people thriving on this, actually loving extra rules and loss of freedom. Those that choose that way of life should be respected and should carry on.

What I want is for the vast majority who do want social contact, pubs, gigs, cafes, restaurants, working in the office, going on holiday, going on their bikes with all their mates, to be able to do so as soon as possible, without disapproving comments and shakes of the head.

 

[Ajax Bay]

There are a number of folk ignoring it - I see lots of 'older' groups of walkers out...

I'm all for folk of all ages getting out and walking or riding. But it'd be sensible (and stay within the law) for them to walk or ride with just one other, or alone. Doing the same walk/ride/route in pairs is entirely doable. For a bit longer. After that the "disapproving comments and shakes of the head" will have no foundation and can be ignored.
https://www.cyclechat.net/threads/coronavirus-outbreak.256913/page-1133#post-6318272

 

[PK99]

Already hearing mumblings amongst the 'Older Golfing We're Vaccinated So ***k You' crowd that the Courses need opening asap.

Tossers.

In that context, this report that outdoor spreading is far less of an issue than thought is relevant to your point. I find the results surprising but they appear clear.

Important that decisions are driven by science, not prejudice,

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...der-myth-can-inform-uks-future-covid-response

 

[classic33]

No I don't want introverts and the solitary to change anything, for many of those, lockdown will have had a far lower impact and so I expect they will carry on and I'm sure there are some that actually wish for lockdown of some sort to carry on indefinitely, I have seen some people thriving on this, actually loving extra rules and loss of freedom. Those that choose that way of life should be respected and should carry on.

What I want is for the vast majority who do want social contact, pubs, gigs, cafes, restaurants, working in the office, going on holiday, going on their bikes with all their mates, to be able to do so as soon as possible, without disapproving comments and shakes of the head.

At present, in the UK, we're lucky. No actual limit on how far we can travel, no curfews. Even those who enjoy their own company are expected to abide by those, where they are in place.

Ireland had a 2km(now 5km) radius of your home address for all activities*, including exercise.

Just because a person may enjoy being on their own, being the quiet one in a group, doesn't mean they welcome extra restrictions or are enjoying the current restrictions. My opinion was that they will be better able to cope than those who thrive on others telling them how well they're doing, when we get to the new normal. Forget what you were able to do this time last year, that's gone.

*Excluding work, shopping & medical.