Classic Trucks, Wagons

[ren531]

you would be carrying more than the modern 6 leggers 26t gvw are only carrying 14, 15 ton.?
and I guess you would be often well over 24t

i remember when top weight artics were plated at 32t legally carry 22/23t on a flat bed, (but often well above that) with a 330hp motor
modern 44 tonners only carrying 25t (more like 6 or 700hp now)
12 ton heavier to carry 2 or 3 ton more

Yes it seems all the gains in gross weights that could of given higher pay load were very quickly lost to heavier tare weights, the Leyland Reiver had the best six wheeler pay load plenty of them exceeded 17 tons payload .
None of the local quarries would ever let you go over weight , the next motor I ran was a Leyland constructor eight wheeler that had a tare weight of 9.6 ton giving a payload of close to 21 ton at 30.48 gross weight something modern eight wheelers can only dream of .

 

[tyred]

My first owner driver truck, 1979 Leyland Bison 6 wheeler owned it 1989-1991 .
Leyland L12 six speed crash box 24.380 tons grose and 16.5 payload
Slightly better second photo.

My dad had one of those, with a bulk grain body. It had the TL11 engine.

 

[ren531]

My dad had one of those, with a bulk grain body. It had the TL11 engine.

They were a better motor with the TL11 engine, quite the flying machine for the late 70s in a six wheeler,the eight wheeler I mentioned above thread had the TL11 engine and was an excellent machine . The TL11 had a bad reputation with some but I found if you treated it with sympathy and didn't thrash the living daylights out of it it was a decent motor.

 

[Marchrider]

They were a better motor with the TL11 engine, quite the flying machine for the late 70s in a six wheeler,the eight wheeler I mentioned above thread had the TL11 engine and was an excellent machine . The TL11 had a bad reputation with some but I found if you treated it with sympathy and didn't thrash the living daylights out of it it was a decent motor.

was that a cummins, the LT11 ?
my favourite motor of the day was a seddon atkinson with I think was a 330bhp cummins (big cam ?) running through a twin splitter box
if you were overwiegt which we were all the time, boss would go ape if you wern't 3 or 4 over. Jeez you had to work the gears, had to concentrate too, miss a gear on a hill and you could be in trouble.
not everyone liked the twin splitters but when you got good at it, it was a wonderful box, only needed to use the clutch to start and stop

 

[ren531]

was that a cummins, the LT11 ?
my favourite motor of the day was a seddon atkinson with I think was a 330bhp cummins (big cam ?) running through a twin splitter box
if you were overwiegt which we were all the time, boss would go ape if you wern't 3 or 4 over. Jeez you had to work the gears, had to concentrate too, miss a gear on a hill and you could be in trouble.
not everyone liked the twin splitters but when you got good at it, it was a wonderful box, only needed to use the clutch to start and stop

No the TL11 was a Leyland engine, bit of a mixed bag Leyland engine's some good some not so good. Big old Cummins and Roller's were better engine's, never drove anything with a twin split but plenty seems to like them
great feeling when you're so in tune with a constant mesh box that only time you use the clutch is from a standing start

 

[simongt]

My first HGV back in 1973, an AEC Mandator Mk.5. Straight six 11.7 litre AEC engine with crash box.
At one point, got my hands on an ERF with a large Cummins engine with two dustbin sized air cleaners on the back of the cab. As one experienced HGV driver said at the time 'That's a man's motor - !'
For the short time I had it, I loved that ERF - !

 

[Richard A Thackeray]

Ooh!!

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[tyred]

No the TL11 was a Leyland engine, bit of a mixed bag Leyland engine's some good some not so good. Big old Cummins and Roller's were better engine's, never drove anything with a twin split but plenty seems to like them
great feeling when you're so in tune with a constant mesh box that only time you use the clutch is from a standing start

I can't recall any problems with the TL11 engine but the diff seemed to be a weakness in these.

My Dad also had two Buffalo tractor units with the L12 engine and they gave a lot of engine problems.

They were replaced with a Hino HE and then Volvo F7s, then F12s, FL10s and eventually an FH12, all of which gave few problems and were vastly superior to Leylands.

 

[ren531]

I can't recall any problems with the TL11 engine but the diff seemed to be a weakness in these.

My Dad also had two Buffalo tractor units with the L12 engine and they gave a lot of engine problems.

They were replaced with a Hino HE and then Volvo F7s, then F12s, FL10s and eventually an FH12, all of which gave few problems and were vastly superior to Leylands.

The Swede invasion didn't do British trucks any good , no one wanted to do distance in a Leyland after they'd driven a Volvo , drove plenty of Scanias and Volvo's myself and they are amazing , but I do have a great fondness for Leyland's though.

 

[tyred]

The Swede invasion didn't do British trucks any good , no one wanted to do distance in a Leyland after they'd driven a Volvo , drove plenty of Scanias and Volvo's myself and they are amazing , but I do have a great fondness for Leyland's though.

My Dad worked mostly for an animal feed company, both bringing meal from the docks to the mill and also delivering around farmyards when rural roads were often poorly surfaced and lorries often overloaded. Leylands broke springs for fun, a broken spring in a Volvo was a rare event. Leylands were even known to break axles.

I do have a fondness for the Ergo cabbed Leyland/AEC all the same. It's what I remember from my childhood, along with the Albion Reiver that sat in our yard and was my playground, and the 1950s Commer that belonged to an old guy who used to buy potatoes from us.

I haven't seen a Hino HE in years. I liked it too. It seemed very futuristic at the time.

 

[ren531]

We used to see the occasional Hino around Carnforth but I think they were considered a bit too heavy for quarry work but good for muck shift work, I think they may of been imported via southern Ireland due to import restrictions if I'm remembering correctly.

 

[DRM]

I haven't seen a Hino HE in years. I liked it too. It seemed very futuristic at the time.

There used to be a Hino dealer in Morley, West Yorkshire, on Bradford Road, but they've been gone a very long time, their building became a plastic turf shop, & is now a recovery company, iirc they seemed to mainly sell tipper trucks.

 

[tyred]

Hinos sold very well to quarries, etc, and most tipper lorries in the '80s and '90s around here were Hinos. They were indestructible.

Their tractor units were less successful. Dad liked his as it was so reliable, but they got left behind in the horsepower race and they were thirsty. Apart from rusty cabs, they didn't really give any problems, but it was all very old-school with a six speed box and no splitter and big hefty lump of a naturally aspirated engine. (270HP from memory). The likes of a Volvo F12 was much more advanced.

 

[Richard A Thackeray]

Monday 17th

New edition
It went on sale, on Friday 14th

It arrived in todays post

 

[Richard A Thackeray]

Saturday 22nd

When was the last time, you saw a FIAT tractor-unit?
I’ll hazard a guess that it was approximately the same time you saw one of those (seemingly ubiquitous) Magiruz-Deutsch bonneted 6x4 tippers?

This lovely duo are in this months ‘Truck & Driver’ magazine (see post directly above)