Chiropractors

[icowden]

I have not checked the rest of your post, but this one line stands out as complete bollocks. To practice in the UK you need to be a member if the GCC which requires an approved chiropractic degree that usually takes 4 years.
https://www.gcc-uk.org/education-and-registration/becoming-a-chiropractor

I sit corrected. I can't find the page I was looking at, but following your link it does appear that you need a degree from one of about 6 accredited institutions in order to be a practicing Chiropractor in the UK. It is regulated and has an associated Royal College. However this should not detract from the fact that the "art" of Chiropractic has its foundation in woo-woo rather than science.

 

[icowden]

You keep spouting absolute Bollocks about about it being placebo, if it works then it does have effect.

But to be science that effect has to be replicable, testable and the mechanism by which it works should be capable of being understood. Hence believing it works is not usually a good treatment.

 

[Milkfloat]

The way I look at it, my Heath Care Insurance was willing to pay for a Chiropractor when they are notoriously tight with going outside their network. On top of that I was referred to the Chiro by one of the top spinal surgeons in the UK. Albeit he ended up operating on me when it was clear that the Chiro was only giving me short term relief.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

I know little of Chiropractic.

It's referenced in Wiki as a pseudoscience, and amongst the references is this useful review

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S088539240700783X

It's sobering reading for anyone considering parting with their folding to a Chiropracter.

It does seem entirely at odds with UK universities offering degrees in the subject.

 

[matticus]

"You keep spouting absolute Bollocks about about it being placebo, if it works then it does have effect. "

But to be science that effect has to be replicable, testable and the mechanism by which it works should be capable of being understood. Hence believing it works is not usually a good treatment.

Placebos are often a very good treatment (there has been a lot of science looking into this!)

 

[newfhouse]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S088539240700783X

It's sobering reading for anyone considering parting with their folding to a Chiropracter.

Thanks, I enjoyed that article. This made me smile:

Chiropractic is based on a metaphysical epistemology that is not amenable to positivist research or experiment.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Placebo is a fascinating subject.

People have even tested placebo operations, setting up sham knee ops(!)

https://www.painscience.com/biblio/...-placebo-surgery-for-knee-osteoarthritis.html

Turns out the surgery was pointless.

And not all placebos are equal. Placebo injections>Placebo topical creams>Placebo pills

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/07/27/not-all-fake-medicines-are-created-equal/

As so often is the case, the science turns out to be far more interesting than the pseudoscience.

 

[vickster]

Placebos are often a very good treatment (there has been a lot of science looking into this!)

Indeed and most don’t deny that, but those supporting homeopathy don’t agree that it ‘working’ might be due solely to placebo effect