iwantanewbike
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What about Dutch hire bikes with rear drum brakes only that are actuated when you force the cranks backwards? How do they compare?
Charlie Alliston case - fixie rider accused of causing pedestrian death
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What about Dutch hire bikes with rear drum brakes only that are actuated when you force the cranks backwards? How do they compare?
KneesUp
Guru
Do many people ride Dutch hire bikes in the UK do you think?
Sheldon Brown on Coaster brakes (his emphasis at the end)
Pro:
Coaster brakes work just as well in the rain as they do in dry conditions
Coaster brakes generally require less maintenance than any other type of brake.
There are no cables running from the handlebars, giving a tidy and simple appearance.
The lack of cables with a single-speed or kickback two-speed coaster brake is particularly advantageous for folding or take-apart bikes.
Coaster brakes can be a good choice for handicapped riders who lack sufficient hand strength, or for arm amputees.
Coaster brakes are usually quite narrow, fit in 110-114 mm spacing, though they can be fitted to frames with wider spacing by adding washers along the axle.
An internal-gear hub can include a coaster brake, providing both gearing and rear-wheel braking.
A bicycle with a coaster brake can coast backward with stationary cranks (useful in acrobatic cycling).
Con:
Coaster brakes make it awkward to get started, and prevent the use of clip-in pedals or toe clips and straps, since there's no easy way to rotate the pedals to starting position.
Coaster brakes often cause skidding, resulting in excessive tire wear.
When coaster brakes fail (usually the result of chain breakage or derailment) they fail suddenly and completely.
Coaster brakes are prone to overheating and fading when used in mountainous areas.
A coaster brake inside an internal-gear hub complicates the mechanism and reduces the options for lubrication.
A coaster brake is not compatible with derailer gearing or a chain tensioner.
Too many bikes are equipped with only a coaster brake, so there's no back-up system in the event of brake failure.
To be safe, any bicycle needs a front handbrake and some sort of rear-wheel braking system. This could be a handbrake, coaster brake or fixed gear.
fossyant
Ride It Like You Stole It!
- Location
- South Manchester
Yes. Works well other than in rush hour when it has huge tail backs. Downside for cyclists is that due to the narrow lanes and curbs, you can't filter
fossyant
Ride It Like You Stole It!
- Location
- South Manchester
Leg braking isn't easy and not good for your knees. Hence 2 calliper brakes on mine.
glasgowcyclist
Charming but somewhat feckless
- Location
- Scotland
Convicted of causing bodily harm by wanton & furious driving.
Not guilty of manslaughter.
Not guilty of manslaughter.
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Good result on the manslaughter
Because pedestrians killed by cyclists is relatively rare?
AndyMack
Well-Known Member
- Location
- Glasgow UK
glasgowcyclist
Charming but somewhat feckless
- Location
- Scotland
There was barely a peep about this guy who killed a 4yr old girl on the pavement by running over her with his tipper van as she rode along on her scooter:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-39356514
He said he "slowed to a stop, indicated and checked my mirrors and drove on to the pavement. I heard a lady screaming and I got out the van to see what had happened and there was a little girl on the floor.
It's just everyday motorised road violence that's become normalised. But you take an exceptional outcome where a cyclist is accused...
glasgowcyclist
Charming but somewhat feckless
- Location
- Scotland
I'm guessing it'll be near the top end.
Remember the case of Philip Benwell who injured a young girl on a pedestrian crossing and fled? He pled guilty to GBH and got a year, Alliston's victim died.
From the Guardian coverage:
"Alliston was released on bail. He will be sentenced on September 18th. Judge Wendy Thomas warned that he faced a custodial sentence but added that it was not a certainty until she had heard mitigation at the sentencing hearing. She added: 'I have not seen one iota of remorse from Mr Alliston at all at any stage.'"
glasgowcyclist
Charming but somewhat feckless
- Location
- Scotland
Martin Porter QC presents some interesting points about this case:
https://thecyclingsilk.blogspot.in/2017/08/the-alliston-mis-trial.html
https://thecyclingsilk.blogspot.in/2017/08/the-alliston-mis-trial.html
