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slowmotion

Quite dreadful
Location
lost somewhere
I took a whole pile of annoying 2p 1p and 5p to the machine in Morrisons the other day, and got a tenner for my trouble (the catch is that 8% or so is taken in charge, but I can live with that. Someone suggested bunging it into the slf-service till when buying something, and it counts it for you, and yopu don't get chatged the %age. But I couldn't be ar*ed, so I didn't :-)
So, cashless... not quite for me, but getting there.
Ask Father Christmas for one of these...
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MacB

Lover of things that come in 3's
Is that why you never spend any in the pub? That's what tc, rich, etc. said anyway.

dear me 3BM you can't trust anything that those bottomless pits tell you
 

Crankarm

Guru
Location
Nr Cambridge
Oh really!
I am a very very hard working self-employed woman who has a cash based business. I do not take credit or debit cards as it costs too much for me to do so. 80% of my customers pay me with cash, a few by cheque and a few others by direct transfer into my business account (very handy for my dog walking clients).
I pay for most things by cash as that is how I mostly get paid. I have no problem with my transactions being traceable, I keep my accounts honestly, do not take drugs, don't visit boot fairs and am definitely not unemployed. I do have a bank account and am a good few years off retirement (unless I win the lottery). No credit cards, overdrafts, loans etc for us, they all cost too much. I probably couldn't get a credit card as I have no credit rating as I have never had a credit card.

I think your post is a bit of a generalisation. I know a lot of people who use mostly cash, none of whom are deadbeats. Sure we use paypal for buying things online but cash is so accountable for us. If I want something and its £40 and I only have £25 in cash in my wallet, I can't have that item until I have saved another £15. I can see how much money I have and I can see instantly, when its gone.

There are always exceptions to what the majority do. I guess you are one ;) .
 

colly

Re member eR
Location
Leeds
All my invoices have my bank details on and I ask my customers to pay me via bank transfer. I like to pay my bills that way too. I use my debit card for almost all shop purchases with the exception of things that are under a couple of quid. Credit card for things which I might want protection on.
On the other hand..................when someone hands over a thick wedge of readies it feels .....................goooood !

I'm another @Crankarm. I account for it all cash, cheque, transfer, whatever.

I find it's customers that are the ones who expect a discount for cash. I never offer one for cash and unless I am desperate for the work I'll not drop the price for cash.
I even get phone calls from potential customers who will ask for an estimate prior to a formal quotation and ask if they can ''save the VAT'' if they pay in notes. I'm surprised they really imagine I would say yes to someone I've never met and don't know.
 

Crankarm

Guru
Location
Nr Cambridge
All my invoices have my bank details on and I ask my customers to pay me via bank transfer. I like to pay my bills that way too. I use my debit card for almost all shop purchases with the exception of things that are under a couple of quid. Credit card for things which I might want protection on.
On the other hand..................when someone hands over a thick wedge of readies it feels .....................goooood !

I'm another @Crankarm. I account for it all cash, cheque, transfer, whatever.

I find it's customers that are the ones who expect a discount for cash. I never offer one for cash and unless I am desperate for the work I'll not drop the price for cash.
I even get phone calls from potential customers who will ask for an estimate prior to a formal quotation and ask if they can ''save the VAT'' if they pay in notes. I'm surprised they really imagine I would say yes to someone I've never met and don't know.

Which is a fraud on the revenue (by both of you) if you don't apportion 20% of what they have paid you as VAT which I am sure you don't do. so paying in cash to get a cheaper price by not paying VAT is a no-no, unless the service or goods you are providing are zero rated for VAT purposes eg childrens' clothing.
 

colly

Re member eR
Location
Leeds
Which is a fraud on the revenue (by both of you) if you don't apportion 20% of what they have paid you as VAT which I am sure you don't do. so paying in cash to get a cheaper price by not paying VAT is a no-no, unless the service or goods you are providing are zero rated for VAT purposes eg childrens' clothing.
Which is why I said I account for everything that comes in.
The point I was making was that I don't know who is calling from Adam so why would they expect anyone to agree a fraud 'just like that'. For all I know it could be the VAT office on the line.

Besides...................I'm not registered for VAT, but of course they wouldn't know that.
 

Berties

Fast and careful!
I use cash a lot but there is no advantage paying in cash in shops,it still has to be banked and with bank charges debit cards are the way o pay,if some one demands cash maybe they are trying to hide it not to pay their vat or tax!
Using cash just keeps you in touch with what you are spending in my opinion,ie I can draw 100 pounds and see I have spent it and or use a card and feel I've blown it ,it's physiological I know,if I haven't got a float of 100 pounds in my wallet I also feel naked,it's just a habit,bit like safety net savings ,big brother is watching the cards,likes to now what you earn and what you spend and where
 

lulubel

Über Member
Location
Malaga, Spain
Like I say... the teacher is likely talking crap... do kids not get pocket money any more... or is that a credit card too?

I don't know about other kids, but I never got pocket money. If I wanted something, my parents either gave me the money/bought it for me or not.

Having worked in retail a lot, I'm very familiar with parents handing the money to their child, so the child can pay and receive the change. It gives a grounding in basic arithmetic, especially if you "play along" and do the maths with them, and count out the change into their hand, which I and everyone I worked with always did. Plus, it gets the child used to handling money and developing an idea of its value. You don't get any of that when your parent just hands over a bit of plastic and taps in a PIN.
 
One of the countries we cycled through on our tour came as a touch of a culture shock to us: Norway. we made the mistake of walking into a bank expecting to be able to obtain cash (other than via an ATM which charges more and limits what you can take out) only to find out that in Norway, banks no longer handle cash. They are trying hard to be a cashless society and all this really appears to be doing is forcing 'cash' into other areas (to change our remaining Swedish Kroner into Norwegain kroner we ended up asking the tourist office who sent us to a newsagents where it was totally off the books.)
Up until that point (and once we had left Norway) we would go to a bank, withdraw an amount for a month's touring and we could see it disappear as the month went by. As a result, Norway is the only country we can easily prove where we went, how long we were there and what we did during that time - needed for my OH's security clearance because we were out of the country longer than 'they' like and have now asked for proof of where we were.
With cash, you tend not to keep receipts, with card; not only do you have the reciept but it shows up on statements as well - you can easily be traced... Personally I prefer cash - I can keep track of it much more easily, even if I can't prove where my OH has been....
 
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