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Glenn

Veteran
Lol, I've got away with it so far. :smile:
 

marinyork

Resting in suspended Animation
Location
Logopolis
It's called profiteering.

Well yes, in the case of the airlines it's most certainly that and the government have stepped in.

However it depends on your perspective. I've been to Italy a bit recently where there seems to be a very different culture. Shops are incredibly suspicious of credit cards, they will often simply not take credit cards at all or ask you for ID. It's cash, cash, cash or cash, cash, bancomat. A lot of places that said they didn't take credit card said not to worry, we take bancomat and seemed amazed I had this little plastic thing (and also that they were doing me a major favour by taking bancomat). I did wonder about the reason this was the case and it seems to be because either folklore or true in Italy there seems to be an entire culture of hidden fees or added extras on just about anything*. Have a credit card? Get charged an annual fee. Have a bancomat? Get charged an annual fee (smaller) and then get charged for withdrawing cash and/or other transactions in some cases. Someone even told me and I'm not sure whether it was true or not that quite a few Italian bancomats only let you get multiples of 20 euros out upto about 50 euros and then you can specify an amount. In some areas even the number of bancomats compares poorly to the UK. Italy seems to be more like we were some years ago (we had quite a bit of this sort of thing). On the other hand go by rail in italy and the fast ticket machines all seem to have not only credit card availability but contactless payment! Similarly the Turin bus system has some kind of oyster style thing on it. So in some ways in the UK we don't have it as bad as we think. The lengthy queues that happen at Italian bancomats are also something to be seen before us impatient Brits complain!

*Seems to be the case for many other things such as some public toilets, some toilets in eating facilities, all kinds of paperwork and so on.
 

Crankarm

Guru
Location
Nr Cambridge
Well yes, in the case of the airlines it's most certainly that and the government have stepped in.

However it depends on your perspective. I've been to Italy a bit recently where there seems to be a very different culture. Shops are incredibly suspicious of credit cards, they will often simply not take credit cards at all or ask you for ID. It's cash, cash, cash or cash, cash, bancomat. A lot of places that said they didn't take credit card said not to worry, we take bancomat and seemed amazed I had this little plastic thing (and also that they were doing me a major favour by taking bancomat). I did wonder about the reason this was the case and it seems to be because either folklore or true in Italy there seems to be an entire culture of hidden fees or added extras on just about anything*. Have a credit card? Get charged an annual fee. Have a bancomat? Get charged an annual fee (smaller) and then get charged for withdrawing cash and/or other transactions in some cases. Someone even told me and I'm not sure whether it was true or not that quite a few Italian bancomats only let you get multiples of 20 euros out upto about 50 euros and then you can specify an amount. In some areas even the number of bancomats compares poorly to the UK. Italy seems to be more like we were some years ago (we had quite a bit of this sort of thing). On the other hand go by rail in italy and the fast ticket machines all seem to have not only credit card availability but contactless payment! Similarly the Turin bus system has some kind of oyster style thing on it. So in some ways in the UK we don't have it as bad as we think. The lengthy queues that happen at Italian bancomats are also something to be seen before us impatient Brits complain!

*Seems to be the case for many other things such as some public toilets, some toilets in eating facilities, all kinds of paperwork and so on.

Italy, Spain, Greece all economies where hidden charges, levies, back handers, two invoice/receipt books, sweatners, corruption and tax avoidance is rife. I suspect payment to use mass transport systems such as the trains in Italy would be much less affected by charges as it is state run or the state has a large influence. However for SME it is a different story - avoid taxes at all costs and profiteer where ever possible. Even huge corporations in Italy as in the UK, eg Berlusconi's huge empire are adept at avoiding tax.

I guess in big business large amounts of cash can be used to make illicit payments to individuals or other entities without being traced very easily. I guess this is where money laundering comes in.
 

Archie_tect

De Skieven Architek... aka Penfold + Horace
Location
Northumberland
Yes, I realise that, but you and many others may be astonished to realise that there is more to life than chocolate. I would change that if I could..
You mean person. Would that everyone faced up to their own responsibilities, with or without chocolate!
 

colly

Re member eR
Location
Leeds
Last year sometime.

Teacher: What did you do this weekend ?
Grand daughter: I had a swimming lesson.
Teacher: I hope you enjoyed it, how much did that cost ?
Grand daughter: Mummy didn't pay for it.
Teacher: Really ?
Grand daughter: No. Mummy used her card.

I can understand people spending less when they hand over actual money. When you shell out a handful of £20's for something rather than just bashing in a chip number it hurts a lot more.
 
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simon.r

simon.r

Person
Location
Nottingham
My missus is the same.
Some people just don't want to accept any sort of change in their behaviour.

It's up to the individual of course, but in effect people who won't use cards are losing out. This card, for example, gives £100 a year cashback (assuming a spend of £3,333 per year): http://www.aquacard.co.uk/credit-cards/reward-card OK, you have to have a bit of self discipline and clear the debt every month to avoid interest charges, but a 'free' £100 a year is worth having in my opinion.
 

Maz

Guru
I see that Barclays offer this 'customise your credit card' thing at the moment...if it were me, it would have a picture of ME on it, passport-style, holding a big piece if paper saying "I am the rightful owner of this card!!"
 
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