Dusty Bin
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why do you think its not??
Because it's a minute difference. Keep up!
why do you think its not??
ok i'll bow to your superior knowledge Sir DustyBecause it's a minute difference. Keep up.
Not really. Why do you think such a minute difference it is important?
How are you quantifying that the difference is minute? - going by the same statement the lateral stiffness of a carbon frame should be a little more than that of an aluminium frame, yet we know that to not be the case.
Ultimately a wheel which has poor lateral stiffness will flex when placed under load and have poor handling as such any improvement in this area is not only desirable however minute but sort after.
In the real world areo advantage from a wheel set will beat wheel weight the majority of the time, when the pro tour teams who have a selection of wheels to choose from will still commonly use are wheels on all but the very steepest of climbs. There is also wind tunnel data available supporting this.
As I have explained why lateral stiffness is important IMHO and presented the appropriate data which I believe supports this, could you please state in greater detail and provide any data you consider to be relevant to enable us to understand your view.
Minute in the sense that I can't detect a difference.
But we're not talking about 'poor' lateral stiffness, are we? We are talking about the difference between 'good' lateral stiffness and 'slightly better' lateral stiffness - which is why I said the difference is marginal.
We're not talking about aero advantages - and pro teams are all on tubs anyway. I thought we were talking about clinchers.
To be fair, you haven't really said anything of real insight or value. Although you are probably right that taking a few spokes out of my wheels will make them wobble a bit.
Wrong yet again... we are talking about clinchers and not all teams use tubs. UCI registered team AG2R widely use carbon clinchers and hAve do so for a couple of years.
http://www.roadbikeaction.com/Tech-...t-The-Real-Story-Behind-Carbon-Clinchers.html
A number of Omega pharma Quickstep riders were also equipped with carbon clinchers for the spring classics
Making statement such as that while presenting no data, or evidence to support your views even when asked amuses me greatly.. insight and value, pot calling the kettle black perhaps?
Posting a link to an article by someone who holds the same opinion is not evidence that you are correct Also, some teams were on cross bikes for the spring classics - maybe we should all be riding them n all..?
As OPQ are sponsored by Zipp wheels, they have access to the entire range of wheels yet have run 303 clinchers for the spring classics since 2012 as advised by Zipp, the reason for this is that the clinchers has a wider rim which increases lateral stiffness for sprinting and cornering yet offers greater vertical compliance for more control, comfort, and durability on rough surfaces.Do you know what the reasoning was for OPQ and AG2R riding clinchers for those races, incidentally?
I don't have to present any evidence in order to hold an opinion. You obviously have a point to prove though, although if 'lateral stiffness' is all you've got to argue in an attempt to justify carbon clinchers, then I have to say it is a bit lame. Meanwhile, I'll stick to aluminium clinchers and carbon tubs, ta. Those two sets of wheels probably cost less combined that a set of 202s, and I can spend the rest on consumables, entry fees and travel costs.
I never suggested you do not hold a right to an opinion, even one that is unfounded.
Just the question I was going to ask after reading previous posts. My next was going to be, can anyone suggest any places that they've used and would recommend?If you want my opinion which is not based upon fact or evidence it is the OP will not get a great set of carbon clinchers for £700 and would be better off looking at quality hand built at that price range.
ive used dcr wheels and they are very goodJust the question I was going to ask after reading previous posts. My next was going to be, can anyone suggest any places that they've used and would recommend?
Just the question I was going to ask after reading previous posts. My next was going to be, can anyone suggest any places that they've used and would recommend?