Buying gold and silver as an investment and/or to wear

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wafter

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Gold hasn't even been keeping up with inflation lately:
https://www.macrotrends.net/1333/historical-gold-prices-100-year-chart

Not very recently, but then what has? Gold has however doubled in value in the past 8 years and is now close to an all time high.

As others have said its value is often buoyed by economic uncertainty / risk and we've certainly had a lot of that recently. That said with rates at more sensible levels there are also other, potentially more accessible places to put your money. There's also the potential for some of the risk factors to abate (Ukraine, Gaza) however equally I think we're at the end of a debt-fuelled capitalist / consumptive epoch and reckon that the economic situation has the potential to become unrecognisibly different over coming decades. I think with the end of cheap / free money more value will be assigned to things of actual intrinsic worth, rather than over-inflated pseudo-assets and speculative unicorns.

Personally I view gold as a very long-term, possible SHFT / anti-inflation hedge. IMO short-term speculation is a mug's game; you'll lose on the spread unless there are large swings and you time it perfectly, while the relatively illiquid nature of physical gold makes it cumbersome to trade so not something you want to be doing regularly.

I don't know enough about the worth of items made from gold beyond their base scrap value so would suggest holding plain wafers. Those with more knowledge of coins, jewellery etc might feel differently.
 

welsh dragon

Thanks but no thanks. I think I'll pass.
Do you wear the rings WD?



I do. I don't see the point of having them if I'm not going to wear them. :okay:
 
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Accy cyclist

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I'm not going to buy anymore gold items for a while. I have enough 'bling'. You should only wear one ring on each hand at the most, they say. I suppose that's not allowing for wedding and engagement ring combinations on the third finger of the left hand.
 
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Accy cyclist

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This 14 karat, 10.4 gram ring is for sale in a local shop for £325. The current 14 karat gold price is £29.78 for weights of 101 to 500g, £28.51 for 21 to 100g and in the case of this ring £23.76 for 0 to 20g, which means the scrap value/price of the ring is £247.10. If I were to buy it it wouldn't be an investment as such as I'd be losing £77.90. But compare that to the current price of new 14 karat gold items and it's 'a bargain'.

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This new 14 karat 7.8 gram ring is reduced to £946.80 meaning you are paying £121.38 per gram for something if scrapped would give you £23.76 per gram. 🤔

https://www.diamondsbyme.co.uk/mens...st-price-oval-sven-2/?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0K
 
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Accy cyclist

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I bought this 23.2, 18 karat gold ring today for £1,067. Today's 18 karat scrap gold price says if I were to sell it as scrap I'd get £1,029.38 for it. If I were to buy a similar but new piece from a jeweler I'd probably be paying 2.8 times the amount I paid for it.

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I also bought this 22.1, 9 karat bracelet for £508. Today's 9 karat gold scrap price says if I were to sell it as scrap I'd get £490 for it. If I were to buy a new similar item, like the ring I'd be paying around 2.7 times the price I paid.

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Gunk

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If you haven’t got a safe, you should buy one. Bolt it to the floor and a lockable one is far more secure than a combination version
 
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Accy cyclist

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If you haven’t got a safe, you should buy one. Bolt it to the floor and a lockable one is far more secure than a combination version

My goldsmith/jeweler friend says he has a small spare one I can have for free. That sounds good, but then a safe would be spotted by any intruders. I still think it's safer to hide valuables in very good hiding places! Besides, my flat is so cluttered up, if anyone was to break in they see the clutter and think someone had beaten them to it and leave asap!!:whistle:
 
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Accy cyclist

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At auction?

No, from a bloke who has one of those scruffy shops that sells old war medals, stuffed animals, old bank notes etc. He's the cheapest I know by far around here. He sells gold items for not much more that scrap prices. My goldsmith friend says he doesn't know how he does it, but when I take bought off him items to be checked by my friend they are always the genuine item they are sold as.
 
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Accy cyclist

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No, from a bloke who has one of those scruffy shops that sells old war medals, stuffed animals, old bank notes etc. He's the cheapest I know by far around here. He sells gold items for not much more that scrap prices. My goldsmith friend says he doesn't know how he does it, but when I take bought off him items to be checked by my friend they are always the genuine item they are sold as.

As you can see, it's not one of those fancy jewelers who roll the red carpet out for you, wanting your money!!:ohmy::laugh: In fact I went in the other week to have a look at that bracelet, but he said he'd lost it in all that clutter. He phoned me the other day saying he'd eventually found it and would I like to have a look at it.:laugh: :rolleyes:

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Accy cyclist

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As you can see, it's not one of those fancy jewelers who roll the red carpet out for you, wanting your money!!:ohmy::laugh: In fact I went in the other week to have a look at that bracelet, but he said he'd lost it in all that clutter. He phoned me the other day saying he'd eventually found it and would I like to have a look at it.:laugh: :rolleyes:

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I like looking at photos like this as it makes my flat look like I'm one of those OCD house cleaners!!:laugh: :okay:
 
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