Building up the miles

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I've gained a kilo and had to admit this to my weight loss group.
Visions of a soviet showtrial/chinese re-education camp/hard-line catholic confessional :smile:

I agree that slow gradual weight loss is the way to go - I used a free app called myfitnesspal to lose a fair bit a few years ago.

It's very good and makes calorie counting pretty straightforward if you aren't too fussy.

Also very regular but not overly strenuous cycling.

I lost the weight while still going to my local spoons quite regularly and drinking in moderation.

For me, the big perils of alcohol are drinking at home when it is very likely to be accompanied by snacking, the snacks having way more calories than the drink.

So try not to regularly have alcohol in the house. Ditto biscuits and cakes etc.

My now patented spoons diet was so successful that I was encouraged/told to put a bit more weight back on.
 

vickster

Legendary Member
@LemonJuice why not download the MyFitnessPal to your phone and use to log and monitor without obsessing
 

Fab Foodie

hanging-on in quiet desperation ...
Location
Kirton, Devon.
Have to agree with @PaulSB
The worst thing is to become focused or obsessed on both the fitness angle or the weight angle - that is the road to failure and disappointment and have seen it many times.

Your fitness regime needs to be one you can maintain, not for weeks but for months and years. I would like to cycle morning and evening, but the reality is that if I get out early morning most days and for a long ride at the weekend, that's my baseline...anything above that is a bonus. That's a level I can maintain come rain or shine.

Foodwise, I do all my own cooking and eat-out rarely, BUT the odd takeaway is fine, the odd pub session is fine. BUT make your daily eating regime again one you can maintain all year and forever. Most people know what 'healthy' eating looks like, be moderate. But if there's one simple thing - eat more plants, make the veg and salad portions bigger, look at veggie recipes as alternatives to meat and 2 veg.
Mix it up. Have steak but make it a smaller portion of a really good quality steak. But make it enjoyable not a burden!

Finally, put the scales away and just look at your body shape. As you get fitter and eat better you will change shape, the belly is last to go, but you will notice that muscles grow and become more defined, your waist returns, the man-boobs retreat BUT for a while you weight will plateau a while.

But FFS, stop thinking....
 

PaulSB

Squire
May I ask, why will it not last? Once I am at my ideal weight (11/2 stone) then I’ll feel that I can relax a little bit whilst still keeping to a strict diet.
A strict diet is very difficult for the majority to maintain and is why most people fail.

i am aiming to be able to ride 50+ miles. During every ride I am going a little bit faster and doing a little bit more distance. I can notice the difference from when I first started a few weeks ago.
Carry on riding 90 minutes a day five days a week and you'll soon be able to do that. It's about building strength and stamina i your legs

I weighed myself earlier and I am exactly 13 stone.

My stomach looks a lot less bloated, but I still have a bit of belly and that’s what I’m trying to shift. All of the weight I put on is on my belly which is understandable since it’s mainly from drinking excessively for quite a while.
You probably feel less bloated because you've stopped taking in a lot of alcohol.

By that logic, if I am restricting my diet to that many calories and I am exercising twice a day, am I going to ke
Restricting your calories to less than half that required by the average male will help you lose weight. At the same time your body will be stressed and when you start eating more the body will lay down fat reserves for the next time you stress it through lack of fuel.

What are the correct types of fuel to give my body? I’m mainly drinking water and the tea with a little bit of milk.
There is a stack of information on the web, find some quality resources and understand how different foods work for you. I'll give you an example which works for me. I have one or two cups of coffee when I get up. Breakfast* is 40g of oats with 260g of water and one dessert spoon of honey, 750ml of water to drink. Lunch will be, for example, a small wedge of cheese or perhaps tuna 60g, a slice of sourdough, couple of gherkins. The evening meal is an everyday normal meal**, no particular care taken, as I've no desire to impose a strict regime on myself or my wife. BUT when I ride I will increase breakfast by 50%, in the cafe I will eat beans, NO toast, sometimes a poached egg - this food fuels +/- 75 miles comfortably. I then eat a normal evening meal.

There is a BIG but to this. I can ride 100-110 miles on the above but if I do it empties my tank completely - I've used all the fuel/food. If I want to go further I have to eat properly again. How do I know this? I am epileptic and my main trigger is blood sugar levels. If I don't eat properly I run the risk of fitting - I get +/- 20-30 minutes warning of this - it doesn't matter whether it's a cycling day or not, it's about what I have eaten and done. I understand my body and it's reactions and so I'm very fortunate to be able to control it. On occasions I've arrived home after 100 miles knowing I'm in a poor way and have to eat immediately - I've exhausted the fuel I gave my body. Obviously I take steps to avoid this while riding but it doesn't always work.

If I get hungry during the day or after a 100 miler I'll have a couple of Weetabix.

I can't tell you what works for you but I can urge you to understand the principles and adapt them to your own body. You don't have to measure everything, that's obsessive, but it costs nothing to put the pan on the scales, chuck in 40g of oats and top the weight up to 300g with water. You'll quickly learn what 100g of cheese looks like etc.

* this fuels my 5/7 30/35 miles rides

** we eat a lot of vegetables, chicken or meat 2-3 times/week, fish probably twice a week, pasta, rice, pulses, none meat or fish meals twice a week.
 
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PaulSB

Squire
Visions of a soviet showtrial/chinese re-education camp/hard-line catholic confessional :smile:
:laugh::laugh::laugh:
It is astonishing though how much of a driver being part of a small informal group is. Twelve of us from my cycle club report our weight every Wednesday morning. We state our weight and the plus or minus for the week. Nothing more, we all do our own thing but I really do not like having to 'fess up to a gain!!
 
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London
Yes - you'll gain a fair bit of immediate weight by eating a large carb-heavy meal such as a big bowl of rice / pasta / chips / pizza etc. If I do this I usually find I've gained ballpark 0.5-1kg the next morning; however the good news is that the bulk of this is water retention due to its requirement to store the metabolised carbs you've eaten, and things will drop back nearer normal over the following days.

That said there's no such thing as a (guilt!) free lunch and binging on unhealthy / high energy food will obvously still mean you gain some weight / your losses slow due to the extra energy consumed; although in terms of fat mass you're probably only talking a few hundred grams per meal; once the water retention has abated.
Mm
Is this a recommendation for a diet of pizzas?
Rather reminds me of an old workmate.
She said the boyfriend or ex boyfriend was a vegetarian.
Rather gave the impression that he had a healthy diet.
Then said, seeming to approve, that his masterstroke idea of maintaining his veg diet was to virtually live on cheese and tomato pizzas.
 

wafter

I like steel bikes and I cannot lie..
Location
Oxford
Mm
Is this a recommendation for a diet of pizzas?
Rather reminds me of an old workmate.
She said the boyfriend or ex boyfriend was a vegetarian.
Rather gave the impression that he had a healthy diet.
Then said, seeming to approve, that his masterstroke idea of maintaining his veg diet was to virtually live on cheese and tomato pizzas.
No, it's most certainly not a recommendation for a diet of pizzas :tongue:
 

ColinJ

Puzzle game procrastinator!
From what I've seen, and for me, if you don't fill your stomach enough during the day, and you have some tempting food in the house, it's going to get eaten, and probably in significant amounts.

For trying to lose/control weight, but not be hungry and go insane, it's important to fill your stomach up without consuming too many calories- which can be done by eating foods that are lower in "calorie-density" (calories per pound of food). So you get the volume of food, but not too many calories. Of course you do still need enough calories to have good energy.

A good way to do this is to take a healthy, medium-calorie density starchy food (steamed/baked potatoes, brown rice, things like that) and eat it with low-calorie density vegetables. That way you can have a big plate of tasty food and be satisfied, and you can have pretty much any sauces as long as they don't contain oil.

The dietitian Jeff Novick has a great presentation on Calorie Density on Youtube, very informative. I think diets fail because they rely so much on willpower, whereas filling up with the right foods does not.
Yes...!

Filling, delicious, healthy and...

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... only 28 calories!
 

ColinJ

Puzzle game procrastinator!
Yes.... But pie and chips tastes nicer...
I think they are firmly in the 'occasional treat' category! :whistle:

Whereas... I have a couple of mega-salads a week, all year round. I also like a big plate of steamed veg (some combination of broccoli/cabbage/carrots/parsnips/swede) with a baked potato/sweet potato and/or baked beans/cottage cheese twice a week.

As @Starchivore suggested above, it is much less likely that you will stuff your face with high-calorie junk food when you have taken the precaution of pre-stuffing your face with low-calorie nutritious veg! :okay:
 
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LemonJuice

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How come pretty much all of the pro cyclists have slim (some have very slim) waists? Many of them are very tall as well.

Is it just a combination of a strict diet which means sting the right foods and drinking the right fluids and training pretty much all of the time?
 
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