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Angelfishsolo

A Velocipedian
If you buy a product from a respected shop you expect it to work. I know that the staff are not trained bike mechanics but if they are selling this stuff to an unknowing general population the shop must have an obligation to ensure the product is fit for purpose and set up correctly. Do they tell you to ensure the bike is checked by a mechanic before riding it? I very much doubt it. Maybe they should be stopped form selling such products until a few members of staff at each store are trained to at least a basic level.
I think we need to keep this in perspective. Last week my LBS tried to sell me an onion with the skin on inside-out. It was nothing more than an OSO!

The man was clearly not a fresh-produce expert and seemed cynically to have overlooked the potential hazard of eating an inside-out vegetable.

A bicycle retailer has no place in the complex marketplace for food and domestic products. The attempt by my LBS to sell fresh foods was nothing short of diabolical!

The next question might be why on Earth anyone with half a brain would expect a bicycle retailer to know the first thing about food retail.

Similarly, why would anyone with half a brain (or more) expect a supermarket employee to know how to assemble a bicycle?

Despite my deeply held fundamentalist Christian beliefs, I find myself warming to the half-baked warblings of Mr Darwin in his heretical work on Natural Selection. Some people opt for extinction by their own enormous stupidity and complete lack of curiosity.

This BSO debate has given rise in me to a potentially devestating internal spiritual conflict.

Cripes!
 

Bicycle

Guest
It's OK. My LBS has stopped selling onions.

If he hadn't, I would have used your most recent post to persuade him so to do.

If you buy a product from a respected shop you expect it to work. I know that the staff are not trained bike mechanics but if they are selling this stuff to an unknowing general population the shop must have an obligation to ensure the product is fit for purpose and set up correctly. Do they tell you to ensure the bike is checked by a mechanic before riding it? I very much doubt it. Maybe they should be stopped form selling such products until a few members of staff at each store are trained to at least a basic level.
 

GrumpyGregry

Here for rides.
French supermarket chains sell some lovely bikes, as do Austrian ones, and German ones too. In the UK the bikes are best placed on the cheese counter as it appears the frames and components are made of same.
 

Hip Priest

Veteran
I wonder if there's a cheese forum, where connosieurs discuss the merits of cheap mass-market cheeses (Dairlylea, Laughing Cow) and whether they should be classed as Cheese-Shaped-Objects, or whether that term should be reserved only for Cheese Strings, which are in fact made from old bicycles.
 

apollo179

Well-Known Member
Beyond the problem with incorrect assembly - is this bike a bso.
Or for £40 is it a fun bike for little johnny ?
Asda are still doing it, took this a couple of weeks ago in a store

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benb

Evidence based cyclist
Location
Epsom
I think we need to keep this in perspective. Last week my LBS tried to sell me an onion with the skin on inside-out. It was nothing more than an OSO!

The man was clearly not a fresh-produce expert and seemed cynically to have overlooked the potential hazard of eating an inside-out vegetable.

A bicycle retailer has no place in the complex marketplace for food and domestic products. The attempt by my LBS to sell fresh foods was nothing short of diabolical!

The next question might be why on Earth anyone with half a brain would expect a bicycle retailer to know the first thing about food retail.

Similarly, why would anyone with half a brain (or more) expect a supermarket employee to know how to assemble a bicycle?

Despite my deeply held fundamentalist Christian beliefs, I find myself warming to the half-baked warblings of Mr Darwin in his heretical work on Natural Selection. Some people opt for extinction by their own enormous stupidity and complete lack of curiosity.

This BSO debate has given rise in me to a potentially devestating internal spiritual conflict.

Cripes!

What are you drivelling on about?
 

apollo179

Well-Known Member
Yer man is posing the question "why would anyone with half a brain (or more) expect a supermarket employee to know how to assemble a bicycle?"
Answer is - if the supermarket sells bicycles then it is reasonable to expect then to have the nessecary degree of knowledge/understanding persuant to the sale of this product.
What are you drivelling on about?
 

Cyclopathic

Veteran
Location
Leicester.
There is a difference between snobery and discernment. Expressing a preference based on sound reasoning is not snobbery. I think BSO is a handy term and has been explained well enough for anybody to understand exactly what is meant by it.
 

Cubist

Still wavin'
Location
Ovver 'thill
Tesco last Tuesday. BSO, put together wrong. Fun bike for little Johnny?
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or his sister Jenny.
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Both shite, both put together badly. You can find them in the aisle next to the Spanish strawberries, despite the glut of British strawberries. F*ck knows what the onions are like.
 

apollo179

Well-Known Member
To be fair britain is full of little jonnies and little jennies having fun on bikes like these so i find it hard to be so condemnatory. Assembled with the forks round the correct way = fit for purpose = not bso. Case dismissed.
 

Cubist

Still wavin'
Location
Ovver 'thill
We're into a debate over what we all interpret differently. I would under no circumstances buy or recommend a bike like the Tesco "Rockface Vertigo". It purports to be something that it isn't, ie a dual suspension bike that will be capable of riding of-road. (I sincerely hope no-one would ever attempt to ride it anywhere near a rockface....)

Yes, some people will put it to use as a fun bike, as it will be capable of riding round a park or garden, even some short trips, but any owner will quickly realise that its components are shoddy, and will go out of adjustment never to return to a sweet-spot.

For that reason I for one am perfectly happy to use the term BSO. I have made it clear that this differs hugely from the term "cheap bike". I have seen many cheap bikes that are perfectly fit for purpose as a utility bike, using components that are perfectly good and work well, keeping their shape and adjustment for reasonable periods.

My kids had cheap bikes when they were little just to ride round parks, gardens, campsites etc. Cubette once persuaded her mum to buy a cheap dual suspension thing (BSO) from JJB sports, and that was a nightmare to keep the brakes and gears working. I was extremely glad to get rid of it, but she loved it.

Cubester was a bit more discerning, and we accidentally bought him a Kobe hardtail with bouncy forks and shimano gears. It was awesome to ride,and apart from the gripshift gears was OK to maintain. That was a cheap bike and still gives good service today in the hands of its new owner.

Both my kids have friends who appear on cheap bikes and BSOs. A common theme is that very few people out there know how to repair, service or adjust bikes(BSO or otherwise)so if they buy bikes that won't stay in tune the problem of kids riding round on brakeless deathtraps is compounded. We live at the top of a big hill, and so I always have a sneaky look at their friends' bikes to make sure they will survive the ride home. I therefore consider myself to be qualified in adjusting brakes and gears in all their forms. My point here is that the cheap bikes rarely need adjusting more than once, but the BSOs need fettling every time I see them.


Am I a snob? No. Would I pay less than £500 for a bike? Completely different argument due to available income.

Would I recommend a cheap bike? Yes of course, as long as it is what it claims to be, ie a budget utility entry level starter beginner to improver rig that works properly more times than it goes out of adjustment.

Would I recommend a £70 supermarket "MTB" to anybody? No of course I wouldn't, that would be irresponsible.
 
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