Bradley Wiggins calls for safer cycling laws and compulsory helmets

[GrumpyGregry]

As in beer and ginger beer or ginger beer and lemonade? (Just showing off to Ian that I was paying attention)

a lemonade shandy is what....?

I got served a pint of ginger beer diluted with lemonade last weekend and was begged not to send it back by my in-laws who have a very low threshold for embarrassment. I took it back and quietly explained to the young antipodean barmaid what a ginger beer shandy was, and then showed it to b-i-l for his future reference.

 

[Boris Bajic]

Because there are times and places for clowning and for not clowning and you don't appear to appreciate that.

Quite right. There are. If this isn't one, I really don't know what is.

This whole thread has been an unceasing artillery barrage from all the Big Batteries. Helmet threads usually are.

Ear potectors on, target grid reference entered, then keep loading and firing. Do not stop.

I have no argument with someone who takes these Internet arguments seriously, but I frequently giggle as they do.

As far as I can tell, nobody in these threads has their views altered by those taking the contrary view. If they do, they are few in number.

For all their effect, the protagonists might as well be shouting into an empty cave; but heavy artillery on the Internet may be more fun.

I poke fun at some attitudes in helmet threads, but my clowning only makes me look puerile and those I mock look even wiser. Your weighty and adult discussions will not subside under my schoolboy silliness.

But really Red Light... This is just the thread for puerile clowning. There is none better.

My posts in F&SS and Family Cycling are sometimes quite serious.

 

[Red Light]

I poke fun at some attitudes in helmet threads, but my clowning only makes me look puerile and those I mock look even wiser.

Looks more like attention seeking to me.

 

[Linford]

Can we assume that translates as:

1 I lied
2. I am not man enough to admit this and apologise
3. I am in denial that i have lied
4. Anyone who dares to point out that I am a liar is suffering from "fixation"


It would be intersting to see the new thread and how you misrepresent the fact that you lied

You really are fixated - I swear that you must spend more time wiping the spittle off the computer screen than actually typing

Show me where I made the claim I couldn't substantiate (and not offered a retraction apart from the 30 mill bit )

You conveniently keep missing the statement I made 30 pages ago and since reposted about the quality of headgear for cyclists falling short of what I consider an acceptable level, and that they should look to get them up to motorcycle helmet standard before considering compulsion - here, I'll post it again

Let me repeat myself so we are clear.

As the technology currently stands,in regard to cycle hats, I do not favour compulsion.I think they need to move forward and be developed and tested to conform with motorcycle crash helmet standards (ACU gold star/ECE-2205.

then I think that compulsion would be justifiable, and people will lose the invincibility attitude to getting hurt.

Nobody in the UK argues aginst crash helmets on motorcycles. We accept it as being a good move to safeguard the riders. There was the same arguments in 73.

Prove the technology, and then apply it - or else you risk becoming a fashion victim !

The difference between you and me is that your standpoint is just 'no way Jose' - not under any circumstance - 'ever'

Mine comes from crashing on numerous occasions at speeds close to cycling, speeds above 99.9999% of cycling, and being a material witness to a crash which was also above what you might get on a cycle - all times, the helmet bore witness to damage. All times, I or the wearer felt the impact on the road through the lid.

Mine might be 'anecdotal', but I consider there more value in this 'real life experience' than just reading about in some dataset

IIRC Something which your Oz report threw up was that the is a tangible benefit for children wearing them - yet I saw a woman on a cycle today with a 2 year old helmetless child on the back mixing it up with the traffic (well running a red light)

Pray you or someone close to you never falls off and get a big bang on an unprotected head.

The laws are there to protect children under 14 who ride horses, and also for all motorcyclist irrespective of age. They have been proven to work in all these disciplines. Cyclists are getting the short straw and getting dragged along by attitudes like yours could cost someone their life one day.

 

[middleagecyclist]

Only three certain things in life. Death. Taxes. And Nurses.

Reader, I married one.

Nurses? Only if they are female!

Reader. I am a nurse.

 

[Fnaar]

What is a hand shandy?

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[Red Light]

Show me where I made the claim I couldn't substantiate

Show me one you could

 

[ufkacbln]

IIRC Something which your Oz report threw up was that the is a tangible benefit for children wearing them - yet I saw a woman on a cycle today with a 2 year old helmetless child on the back mixing it up with the traffic (well running a red light)

Pray you or someone close to you never falls off and get a big bang on an unprotected head.

Which is why I published the details of the Thudguard some 30 pages ago, do you protect your children with these or pray they don't have an injury
I will make it very simple:

Option A: I don't believe a Thudguard would work and they need not be used
Option B: I believe the Thudguard would work and should be worn
Option C: This question is outside my closed agenda and I am going to ignore or evade answering

Which nicely brings us to the Thudguard.............which implies that it could protect over 100 times as may children from head injury than cycle helmets would.

Using the standard pro - compulsion tactics....

Over 318,575 baby & toddler head injuries are recorded each year!"

Department for Trade and Industry

Any device which helps to reduce the number of head injuries sustained by young children each year is most welcome

John Heyworth, President, British Association for Accident and Emergency Medicine

Throughout more than 20 years as an emergency paramedic, I have encountered numerous worried parents who have called an ambulance because their young toddler took a fall and suffered a head injury.​

This (Thudguard) can only be a good thing as even one accidental head injury is one too many. Avoiding head injury means reducing potential visits to the A&E department, which in turn may potentially save the NHS resources.​

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Dr Diana Macgregor, Associate Specialist, Accident & Emergency, Royal Aberdeen Children's Hospital

(The Thudguard)should make a valuable contribution to risk reduction in a similar way to cycle helmets...

David W. Jenkins BA MPhil(Eng) PhD DCA FTSI, Product Safety Adviser to RoSPA


Given all of this, why are we not looking at compulsion for these undeniably effective and worthy aids to child safety.

 

[Linford]

Which is why I published the details of the Thudguard some 30 pages ago, do you protect your children with these or pray they don't have an injury
I will make it very simple:

Option A: I don't believe a Thudguard would work and they need not be used
Option B: I believe the Thudguard would work and should be worn
Option C: This question is outside my closed agenda and I am going to ignore or evade answering

I don't know anything about this product so I'm not going to comment - I very much doubt that the manufacturers would offer any sort of assurance for cycling though as it really isn't safe carrying a child so young on a cycle with or without a helmet - as previously voiced in other threads here due to the lack of strength in their neck....

 

[MontyVeda]

I don't know anything about this product so I'm not going to comment - I very much doubt that the manufacturers would offer any sort of assurance for cycling though as it really isn't safe carrying a child so young on a cycle with or without a helmet - as previously voiced in other threads here due to the lack of strength in their neck....

but how will the yoghurt weavers get Molly & Dylan to nursery-steiner-school?

One thing I do know about the Thudguard is its advertising campaign is based on the same guilt trip bicycle helmet's rely on... "Just how much is your child's brain worth?" ... "It's better to be safe than sorry and if you disagree, you're both irresponsible and a bad parent!"

 

[ufkacbln]

but how will the yoghurt weavers get Molly & Dylan to nursery-steiner-school?

One thing I do know about the Thudguard is its advertising campaign is based on the same guilt trip bicycle helmet's rely on... "Just how much is your child's brain worth?" ... "It's better to be safe than sorry and if you disagree, you're both irresponsible and a bad parent!"

It's also interesting that the Thudguard has the same endorsements as those quoted by pro-compulsionists. We are supposed to listen to these "experts" when they endorse cycle helmets, yet they carry no weight and can be ignored when it comes to something like the Thudguard

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[ufkacbln]

I don't know anything about this product so I'm not going to comment -

I am going to refrain from the obvious remark there!

I very much doubt that the manufacturers would offer any sort of assurance for cycling

Completely missing the point. They are for protecting toddlers in a domestic environment...possibly why they also offer a cycle helmet with different design.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

Had a lovely ginger beer shandy at the Abinger Hatch today and I only crashed once all morning; front wheel washed out. Helmet worn but not required to be present. Came in handy when I smacked my head on the car tailgate; they have their uses.

 

[ufkacbln]

Had a lovely ginger beer shandy at the Abinger Hatch today and I only crashed once all morning; front wheel washed out. Helmet worn but not required to be present. Came in handy when I smacked my head on the car tailgate; they have their uses.

There are a lot of Hatches around there, we frequently stay at Wotton House and use the Wotton Hatch.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

There are a lot of Hatches around there, we frequently stay at Wotton House and use the Wotton Hatch.

I know it well. Gone a bit gastro in recent years but boy I've supped a few mid ride shandies in there over the years.