Bradley Wiggins calls for safer cycling laws and compulsory helmets

[Linford]

I think the phrase you're looking for is "post-hoc rationalisation".

I thought you might have come away with that impression after our last exchange - Sorry, no hard feelings eh

 

[Linford]

Absolutely, in fact, as the overwhelmong majority of your posts are designed to wind people up, you are pretty damn close to trolldom. Is that where you intend to be?

Now if we all thought the same thing, the debates would never materialise Adrian.

I just need a lot of convincing sometimes - that is not to say I never accept the opinions of others. I changed my mind about climate change after a few debates here - I was won over

 

[ufkacbln]

You never consider that I might do my fair share of it with you

Best excuse you have come up with yet for avoiding any questions you find too difficult!

 

[mcshroom]

The band wagon jumping commences: -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-19138805, or in her own words here - link

This isn't the first time she's introduced a PMB on the issue and she's jumping on Bradley Wiggins' (now retracted) comments. Now Sustrans and CTC are again going to have to divert resources that could be making cycling safer and increasing participation to counter a woman with an agenda

 

[Red Light]

You never consider that I might do my fair share of it with you

What? You bait yourself? Now that explains a lot!

 

[Dan B]

You bait yourself?

His posts demonstrate a real mastery of the art

 

[Red Light]

Can you provide the numbers and their source so we can look at them ?

We are talking about someone not reporting a head injury so never appearing in the head injury stats because the lid has done its job properly.

The cycle hat has become a victim of its own success by working so well

Now if we had compulsion, then we would have a proper dataset to work with

As someone who sets themselves up as an expert on the subject you surely know all the sources and numbers already and don't need my help. Or are you telling us you are making all this stuff up as you go?

P.S. We have several compulsion datasets to work with. `i'm surprised a) that you don't know that and b) that you aren't aware that it shows no benefits to cyclists of making helmets compulsory but the big disbenefit of reducing the number of people cycling.

Are you sure you are qualified to be engaging in this debate as an advocate.

 

[Red Light]

His posts demonstrate a real mastery of the art

A real Master-Baiter you mean?

 

[Linford]

that you aren't aware that it shows no benefits to cyclists of making helmets compulsory but the big disbenefit of reducing the number of people cycling.

The implication that people will not want to cycle any more because the legislation compelling them to start wearing protective headgear for their own good is just ridiculous.

How about this for an analogy.

It is against the law for people to cycle on the motorway.

Would you suggest that this law is repealed as it might also discourage people from cycling?

In your own time...........

 

[mcshroom]

Just because you don't like the idea or are unable to grasp it, it doesn't prevent the data from existing. Whether you think it ludicrous or not, in areas where compulsion was brought in, cycling numbers dropped dramatically, most notably amongst teenagers.

http://sydney.edu.au/news/84.html?newsstoryid=9507

 

[benb]

The implication that people will not want to cycle any more because the legislation compelling them to start wearing protective headgear for their own good is just ridiculous.

How about this for an analogy.

It is against the law for people to cycle on the motorway.

Would you suggest that this law is repealed as it might also discourage people from cycling?

In your own time...........

And yet that's exactly what has happened in every place that has brought in compulsion.

 

[ufkacbln]

The band wagon jumping commences: -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-19138805, or in her own words here - link

This isn't the first time she's introduced a PMB on the issue and she's jumping on Bradley Wiggins' (now retracted) comments. Now Sustrans and CTC are again going to have to divert resources that could be making cycling safer and increasing participation to counter a woman with an agenda

... and sadly the same old lies and tricks?

If the case is so strong, why (once again) try and pass off ALL cycling accidents as head injuries?

Why not be open and honest?

Given that there are 90,000 child head injuries each year and less than 2% are cycle related her claims are really rather dishonest.

 

[ufkacbln]

As someone who sets themselves up as an expert on the subject you surely know all the sources and numbers already and don't need my help. Or are you telling us you are making all this stuff up as you go?.

Which just about hits the nail on the head.... LInford has a track record of ignoring anything that does not fit his agenda and making untrue claims to support his agenda

 

[Linford]

... and sadly the same old lies and tricks?

If the case is so strong, why (once again) try and pass off ALL cycling accidents as head injuries?

Why not be open and honest?

Given that there are 90,000 child head injuries each year and less than 2% are cycle related her claims are really rather dishonest.

What is missed of course is that most parents are responsible people where their kids safety is concerned, and demand they use a cycle hat......

 

[mcshroom]

Have a look at how many kids on BMXs are wearing helmets (or even sporting brakes)