Beer?

[GrumpyGregry]

Anyway tonight I will mainly be drinking Morgon Cote Du Py

 

[threebikesmcginty]

I agree. But being a good brewer doesn't make you a Craft Brewer.

To me craft just means it isn't Molson Coors and the like, it's a bollocks term with no real definition, make your own up.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

To me craft just means it isn't Molson Coors and the like, it's a bollocks term with no real definition, make your own up.

I'm not claiming to define it, "Mr Fuller" was.

 

[threebikesmcginty]

I'm not claiming to define it, "Mr Fuller" was.

Didn't say you were, I didn't even read what they said.

 

[threebikesmcginty]

Old Hooky, yumtus natch...

 

[srw]

But that's another reason why they aren't craft brewers, hardly any innovation, which doesn't all have to be of the excess hop variety. I suspect they are a property company, that owns restaurants, that sell beer, in London and the SE.

http://www.fullers.co.uk/~/media/ma...16/annual-reports-and-accounts-2016.pdf?la=en

They're pretty good at disclosure. Without being really sad and poring over every single line of their accounts, I'd observe:
(a) a third of their income comes from beer and two-thirds from owned pubs and hotels
(b) there's a substantial amount of lease outgo
(c) rental income is tiny. Most of their income comes from the pub trade.

That's the old-fashioned model of a brewery which owns pubs in order to sell its product. As for "craft" - they care about quality rather than just about volume. That's a better indicator for me of being a "craft" beer than pointless innovation.

Oh, and they do innovate - alongside the old favourite LP and ESB there are American-inspired bitter fizzy things, lagers and a number of seasonal offerings. http://www.fullers.co.uk/beer/explore-our-beers

 

[GrumpyGregry]

They do indeed. They did a limited edition for the double centenary of Trafalgar, with salt toffee in it. I liked that one. The tercentenary Ascot one, on the other hand, was disappointing.

Wow. A new brew every two hundred years?

 

[User169]

Left to right:

Biere de Blanc du Bois from Jester King outta Texas. A sour ale made with grape must from Blanc Du Bois grapes and aged on oak barrels. Really nice. Not much funk, but tart, a bit winey, light vanilla oak, and a decent length finish.

Framboos from Tommie Sjef outta the Netherlands. Nice raspberry flavour, lightly sour, no real funk and a bit of a grainy finish.

Foeder Gold by American Solera outta Olklhoma. Reasonably tart, pretty fruity, very dry.

Really enjoyed all of these.

 

[srw]

Wow. A new brew every two hundred years?

The true craftsperson only releases something when it's ready and as good as it can be.

 

[GGJ]

There's trouble brewing, guys & gals

 

[martint235]

To me craft just means it isn't Molson Coors and the like, it's a bollocks term with no real definition, make your own up.

My local Spoons classes Estrella as a craft beer which is also pushing the boundaries a little.

 

[John the Monkey]

Trying to recreate a medieval ale;

"My big bucket of murky, lukewarm gravy sits in the corner of the kitchen, as sad and as still as a stagnant pond"

http://www.hotrumcow.co.uk/in-search-of-the-medieval-pint/

What are AB Inbev up to?

Tim went on to muse that the reason why the brewery behemoth are after Coca Cola is not just because of the money-generating sugary liquid that knocks Irn Bru off the top spot in every country but Scotland. The darker act at play is to control the world’s water supply – which if they gain control of Coca Cola would see them own 25% of the fresh water on the planet, according to Tim.

http://thebeercast.com/2016/11/what-are-ab-inbev-up-to.html

Can You Tell if Your Local Brewer is a Takeover Target;
https://thisiswhyimdrunk.wordpress....ntral-what-can-we-learn-from-brewery-buyouts/

 

[srw]

There's trouble brewing, guys & gals


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You bet there is. I hope you've got a large umbrella - you'll need it for the shitstorm you're unleashing onto your head...

 

[nickyboy]

What are AB Inbev up to?

http://thebeercast.com/2016/11/what-are-ab-inbev-up-to.html

That's a heck of a lot of water. Cos I was bored I looked up how much liquid fresh water there is. The total in aquifers, lakes, rivers etc etc is about 10.6 million km^3, the vast majority of which is in aquifers.
http://water.usgs.gov/edu/earthwherewater.html

Would Coca Cola/Inbev really control 2.65million km^3 of water? That would be 2.650,000,000,000,000,000 litres which would make a lot of coke and stella

 

[John the Monkey]

Would Coca Cola/Inbev really control 2.65million km^3 of water? That would be 2.650,000,000,000,000,000 litres which would make a lot of coke and stella

Tim Webb's the chap to ask, I guess - I'm afraid I don't know, and can only find a few infographics suggesting that 1% of the 2.5% total freshwater on the earth is available for human use.

Anyway, here's something about 89p beer;
http://zythophile.co.uk/2016/11/15/is-it-morally-wrong-to-drink-an-89p-bottle-of-good-beer/