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Linford

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The e-biking beard I work with on hearingthis sum spent declared that £300 million was about £900 million lesss than should have been spent.
I say £300 million isn't much when you have 2 graduates in suits waiving clipboards around for every 1 Latvian or lithuanian bloke with a shovel in their hands ;)
 

Dan B

Disengaged member
Wasn't it ken that originally approved both the superhighways and cycle hire.
Ken said:
Q: Would you keep the "Boris bikes"?

A: When I started this in July 2007, my instruction to TfL was simply go to Paris, take the Vélib' scheme and bring it to London. For some reason, they did not take the Vélib' scheme and they've gone for this much more expensive one that Boris has brought in.
From http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/jan/30/ken-livingstone-policies-not-personalities
 
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Jezston

Über Member
Location
London
Some points, some more serious than others:

1. All you haters suck my beard. You jelly. Everyone criticising beards clearly lacks the machismo to pull one off themselves and rather than facing up to their inadequacies try to make out there is something wrong with beards. I especially mention 'Greg Collins' who says he only shaves twice a week - clearly by the end of the week he's nearing schoolboy bumfluff stage whilst the more manly of us are already harbouring a family of birds. Shame on all of you.

2. I think it's a bit silly to dismiss the efforts of the LCC and other such groups as purely for the benefit of cyclists, as if we are one rigid group of individuals that never changes in number. We need to get more - much, much more - people onto bikes in our cities and out of cars, and perception of safety is the biggest issue. Although I agree that LCC campaigning on "ooh this is dangerous fix it" may be a double edged sword.

3. From that image, are the LCC actually ANTI vehicular cycling? I accept that fast, assertive vehicle cycling isn't for everyone (wish more people on here accepted that) and they'd rather be segregated and tootle along blissfully away from cars in cycle lanes, but are the LCC now actively rejecting our views and needs?
 

GrumpyGregry

Here for rides.
Some points, some more serious than others:

1. All you haters suck my beard. You jelly. Everyone criticising beards clearly lacks the machismo to pull one off themselves and rather than facing up to their inadequacies try to make out there is something wrong with beards. I especially mention 'Greg Collins' who says he only shaves twice a week - clearly by the end of the week he's nearing schoolboy bumfluff stage whilst the more manly of us are already harbouring a family of birds. Shame on all of you.

2. I think it's a bit silly to dismiss the efforts of the LCC and other such groups as purely for the benefit of cyclists, as if we are one rigid group of individuals that never changes in number. We need to get more - much, much more - people onto bikes in our cities and out of cars, and perception of safety is the biggest issue. Although I agree that LCC campaigning on "ooh this is dangerous fix it" may be a double edged sword.

3. From that image, are the LCC actually ANTI vehicular cycling? I accept that fast, assertive vehicle cycling isn't for everyone (wish more people on here accepted that) and they'd rather be segregated and tootle along blissfully away from cars in cycle lanes, but are the LCC now actively rejecting our views and needs?
Hey don't single me out. I got soul, and a tab to prove it. Unlike LCC, whose soul has been sucked out through the pump hose of a dutch bicycle. Whereas CEGB are all soul and no corporeal substance.
 

GrumpyGregry

Here for rides.
Got to shave at least three times this week. Important meetings with important people in that London. Suits, ties, cuff links and shiny shoes and everything.
 
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dellzeqq

dellzeqq

pre-talced and mighty
Location
SW2
Some points, some more serious than others:

1. All you haters suck my beard. You jelly. Everyone criticising beards clearly lacks the machismo to pull one off themselves and rather than facing up to their inadequacies try to make out there is something wrong with beards. I especially mention 'Greg Collins' who says he only shaves twice a week - clearly by the end of the week he's nearing schoolboy bumfluff stage whilst the more manly of us are already harbouring a family of birds. Shame on all of you.
we feel your pain! To be honest Mr. BeardyCycliyMan approached me with another card last night. I can only think that this is because he didn't recognise me. I had a beard. I made some crack about beardies to the cyclist with me, How we laughed! But then my companion had a beard as well. Lesson - beards are comic whether you have one or not

2. I think it's a bit silly to dismiss the efforts of the LCC and other such groups as purely for the benefit of cyclists, as if we are one rigid group of individuals that never changes in number. We need to get more - much, much more - people onto bikes in our cities and out of cars, and perception of safety is the biggest issue. Although I agree that LCC campaigning on "ooh this is dangerous fix it" may be a double edged sword.
well, sorry, but for nigh-on a decade they got pretty much everything they wanted. Now there's been a putsch in the LCC, and the beardies have taken over and they want something different. Which nobody can afford, and very, very few people want (signatures now up to 15,000 which is completely rubbish).

3. From that image, are the LCC actually ANTI vehicular cycling? I accept that fast, assertive vehicle cycling isn't for everyone (wish more people on here accepted that) and they'd rather be segregated and tootle along blissfully away from cars in cycle lanes, but are the LCC now actively rejecting our views and needs?
the people who won the vote do blame 'vehicular cyclists' for the absence of segregated cycle lanes. Yes, peeps, they really are that mad..........
 

GrumpyGregry

Here for rides.
the people who won the vote do blame 'vehicular cyclists' for the absence of segregated cycle lanes. Yes, peeps, they really are that mad..........
Like some later day Rebecca I stalk the streets at night destroying segregated infrastructure. It's a wonder I'm not in jail.
 
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Vikeonabike

CC Neighbourhood Police Constable
This whole thread smacks of Beardism and I demand the moderators remove it.
Actually on a more serious note, I blame your fathers for your lack of understnading of the importance to male vitality and masculanism of the beard.
For instance
Then of course there are good reasons for having a beard
Not to mention good advice to all the ladies out there:
 

angus h

Active Member
So... cleanshaven LoB volunteer & 80% vehicular cyclist here. 80% because I use the cycle bypass at E&C instead of riding the roundabout like True Vehicularists are apparently supposed to.

Regarding #2. Hyperbole perhaps, but the only other area he/she has significant clout in is policing.

3700 signups of 300k regular cyclists is not a huge amount, true; even less so when you consider there's another 1.5M Londoners out there who'd like to ride a bike regularly but say they are put off by road danger. Having said that, our budget to date has been less than what some of your bikes are probably worth (and mine, before some half-awake cretin in a Clio drove in to the back of it). We're not part of LCC & have no outside funding. With Boris & Ken being neck-and-neck in the election (which could well be won or lost by a margin less than 10k, as it goes), with a few more supporters we'll be at a size where they're prepared to put something on the table in return for those votes.

Anyhow. LoB doesn't take sides in the infrastructure debate. Nor helmets, nor facial hair. The volunteer group has everyone from round-the-world riders & people who've been commuting longer than I've been alive, to Pashley princesses & Hoxton hipsters. What we do ask is that the politicians take notice of not just the 300k people who ride bikes now, but the 1.5m who'd like to (and the millions more who'd probably take it up if it even seemed like something they could consider). I know that as a fast-ish, vehicular cyclist myself, many are suspicious of spending & infrastructure... frankly I couldn't care less. Getting cars off the roads, making the city's air cleaner, putting more travelers out in the open & being part of their communities instead of caged up in metal boxes, making the streets more liveable.. all those are more important to me than whether my average commute speed is 12mph or 17mph. As a solo rider, I can go almost anywhere in London on a bike right now, mostly without a sense of intolerable danger. But I can't take my kids to the museums on a Nihola; my parents, aunts, in-laws etc. would never dream of making a ten-mile journey across London by bike; and I believe it's only right that we should try to change this. As far as the implementation goes - Dutch, Danish or anything else - is of secondary importance.
 
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dellzeqq

dellzeqq

pre-talced and mighty
Location
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well, if I was unimpressed before, I'm even more unimpressed now. If it's not about infrastructure, and it's not even about cyclists, but, rather, about getting cars off roads, then we can all go home now - it's Ken's mission in life to get cars off roads (and when I say mission I'm going back to 1971 at least) and Johnson's stated desire to look after the motorist.
 

ianrauk

Tattooed Beat Messiah
Location
Rides Ti2
S1.5M Londoners out there who'd like to ride a bike regularly but say they are put off by road danger.

How did you get to this figure of 1.5m?

Asking a few people here at work, it's not just road danger that puts people off cycling (though it is one of the excuses) rather then many other 'excuses' that are trotted out.

Including...
Too far to cycle.
It rains all the time.
Have work stuff to carry.
Have clothes to carry.
Don't want to get all sweaty.

All rubbish excuses. Bottom line is people like their cars and prefer other methods of transport.

Your figure of 1.5m Londoners would like to cycle to work? No I don't think so, so I will take that with a huge pinch of proverbial salt.
 
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