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marinyork

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You won't get NADA.
 
It seems to be a very weird world we're getting into if the only thing 'allowed' as 'evidence' is positive tests.

Well hard evidence is better than character assasination and innuendo which is what this thread seems to run on. Some of the worst miscarriages of justice there have been in the UK have been because they were not based on hard evidence but hearsay. And it looks like USADA are going to go down the hearsay evidence route in the absence of any hard evidence.
 
If red light spends a lot of time reading it it actually explains some of his slightly odd 'mainstream' views about physics but that's an entirely different topic.

Actually I read it very rarely these days, Nature is a much better publication. As for your fixation on my physics which you have now raised several times on different threads let me just say that while you may be reading the published papers on Opera I am talking to the guys that are doing the experiments and writing the papers. So my "slightly odd mainstream views about physics" are actually the outcome of talking to the people actually doing the mainstream physics. HTH & HAND
 

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Well hard evidence is better than character assasination and innuendo which is what this thread seems to run on. Some of the worst miscarriages of justice there have been in the UK have been because they were not based on hard evidence but hearsay. And it looks like USADA are going to go down the hearsay evidence route in the absence of any hard evidence.

You're simply misconstruing things. USADA allows various other 'non-analytic' evidence as it has come to be known.

And as I said about the grand juries (ages ago now) you're guessing what they've got hold of due to a lot of misunderstandings by people on the internet. That's not you but other people. The opinions seem to lurch between they've got hold of some 'juicy' stuff obtained 'illegally' or that they can't have got this so have got a load of poor stuff and half truths they got by their ears stuck against the door of a grand jury or something like that. Both are probably nonsense, we'll have to see. And that's not changed for a while.
 
You're simply misconstruing things. USADA allows various other 'non-analytic' evidence as it has come to be known.

And as I said about the grand juries (ages ago now) you're guessing what they've got hold of due to a lot of misunderstandings by people on the internet. That's not you but other people. The opinions seem to lurch between they've got hold of some 'juicy' stuff obtained 'illegally' or that they can't have got this so have got a load of poor stuff and half truths they got by their ears stuck against the door of a grand jury or something like that. Both are probably nonsense, we'll have to see. And that's not changed for a while.

I'm talking about the specifics of the LA case, not USADA cases in general. And its not based on speculation about what evidence the Grand Jury turne up and whether its available to USADA. Its based on what USADA said in front of Sparks as recorded in his judgements. and that is its going to be based primarily on hearsay evidence.
 

marinyork

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Actually I read it very rarely these days, Nature is a much better publication. As for your fixation on my physics which you have now raised several times on different threads let me just say that while you may be reading the published papers on Opera I am talking to the guys that are doing the experiments and writing the papers. So my "slightly odd mainstream views about physics" are actually the outcome of talking to the people actually doing the mainstream physics. HTH & HAND

I'm not fixated, I just have (despite other failings) a better memory than many other of my detractors think I do and you didn't answer previously. I just find some of the things you post very odd that's all. We all do that sometimes - some stuff I post comes across odd sometimes as I don't have the time or more likely I've had to summarise it down which leads to complaints (but people complain an awful lot more if I write more).

As for knowing OPERA people, you sound like an upset postgrad physics student trying to drub up some story in a minor dispute within a department. BTDTGTTS ^_^.

For something as the story we were talking about where pretty much anybody could understand it if they actually read a decent report/paper, I don't see the point recycling their views. Fair dos if it is something high level. Otherwise, wouldn't other people do it :thumbsup:. It's a bit like another bloke in another section of the forum who seems to have the same attitude. But if you can read Swedish extradition treaties, you most certainly can read that.
 

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Wish I were that young. Perhaps if I just say I'm an FInstP inter alia.

I know this red light, it's not like you haven't made hints before ^_^. But all of that means I'm even more puzzled by many of the things you say (which is not something that's changed for a while).
 

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This is fun, all I can see is Marin arguing with himself :biggrin:

It's just waiting isn't it. We could have a speculative section of the forum awaiting events perhaps. Or mid season breaks. Or writers' strikes. I think we need more vuelta coverage actually.
 
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