Armstrong charged and banned

[kevin_cambs_uk]

Who gives a toss whether he was using drugs or not, the chances are he was, practically the WHOLE peloton was on something or other back then. The guy virtually came off his death bed to win 7 Tours, get off his back!

Nicely said mate, if he was they all were and they still didn't beat him !

 

[Herzog]

Still can't believe this thread is 107 posts old and nobody cas cracked the Pharmstrong gag yet...? I thought there were a few wags around these forums (I mean, someone can up with Hellfrauds...).

 

[raindog]

We have fabulous racing to follow right through the season, but there's only ever a handful of us ever posting about them.
LA has been busted, and suddenly the racing section is full of bike racing experts I've never seen before in here.

 

[fozy tornip]

We have fabulous racing to follow right through the season, but there's only ever a handful of us ever posting about them.
LA has been busted, and suddenly the racing section is full of bike racing experts I've never seen before in here.

Nothing suspicious about that. I attribute my sudden improvements as a contributor to this sub-forum to a preternaturally high V02 max, a regular 3 - 6 hours a day training in P+L, and a dramatic weight loss brought on by a bad winter cold.

 

[festival]

Looks like you almost condone drugs cheats, as long as they're not called Armstrong.

Read it again carefully, This is about one particular case and IMO if its true its about the biggest con in world sport ever. Therefore its important not to allow other issues to muddy the water, that's what I was trying to say.
Would I feel the same way about a pro rider with a bit of talent who chose to cheat to get through a career that gave him enough at the end to buy a cafe or a bike shop instead of working the fields or in a factory, no.
A cheats a cheat but Armstrong has taken the piss for years with his cheating on an industrial scale, it goes way beyond the world of cycle racing.
Have you ever read Kimmage's book?

 

[NotthatJasonKenny]

I'd ask you to think about that statement again.

Firstly, see flying monkeys post and secondly, I didn't mean that committing the act isn't worse than not being able to catch them, obviously breaking the rules is worse than not catching those that break the rules but Damn...seven wins??

 

[stoatsngroats]

When one is arrested, that itsn't the end of the matter, only the beginning......

I enjoyed all of the LA years - it captured my interest, it was great viewing, and it introduced some talented cyclists into my life, and the fantastic spectacle of the TdF.

Senna/Prost/Piquet/Mansell, none was perfect - they were only men, but they were RACING men, and it was damn good to watch - same for Lance, and his contemporaries......

 

[Smokin Joe]

Hitler reacts to LA's ban -


View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia6dV_G5UxE&feature=share

 

[Flying_Monkey]

Reaction from Bassons and Simeoni, who were both just about forced out of the sport by Armstrong, in the latter's case not for saying anything about Armstrong, but about the infamous Dr Ferrari. Armstrong's action towards Simeoni on Stage 18 of the TdF in 2005 was one of the most disgusting things I have seen in the sport, and was what made me lose any respect I had for him.

 

[albion]

Let's face it, a fair few do not give a damn whether he is innocent or guilty.
Hatred will always be in abundance for the mega successful.

Historic evidence shows he did not cheat though today someone like Lasse Viren would be a certainty.
Funnily enough, in his day it was all legal, just that fewer knew how to safely do it.

 

[SoloCyclist]

Lance has denied ever taking drugs but he has admitted to pedalling.

 

[Smokin Joe]

Let's face it, a fair few do not give a damn whether he is innocent or guilty.
Hatred will always be in abundance for the mega successful.

Historic evidence shows he did not cheat though today someone like Lasse Viren would be a certainty.
Funnily enough, in his day it was all legal, just that fewer knew how to safely do it.

It's not about doping. We know they all did it, but look at FM's post just before your own to see why Lance is disliked by so many.

 

[Crankarm]

Read it again carefully, This is about one particular case and IMO if its true its about the biggest con in world sport ever. Therefore its important not to allow other issues to muddy the water, that's what I was trying to say.
Would I feel the same way about a pro rider with a bit of talent who chose to cheat to get through a career that gave him enough at the end to buy a cafe or a bike shop instead of working the fields or in a factory, no.
A cheats a cheat but Armstrong has taken the piss for years with his cheating on an industrial scale, it goes way beyond the world of cycle racing.
Have you ever read Kimmage's book?

He's still a better bike rider and athlete than you will ever be. Nothing like a few vicious slurs and slander to put your case.

I don't know LA from Adam but I am grown up enough to realise that there is an on going investigation and until a finding of guilt or wrong doing is delivered then the guy is innocent. I bet you would hope that if you were ever under investigation that the same would be afforded to you, innocent until found guilty. It really is a fundamental pillar of the developed world's legal systems unless you think he should be treated differently to any one else who is accused of something as he is 7 times TdF winner Lance Armstrong?

What do you think of Wiggo's recent run of success? Are you sufficiently bitter and cynical to point the finger at him?

 

[rich p]

Let's face it, a fair few do not give a damn whether he is innocent or guilty.
Hatred will always be in abundance for the mega successful.

Historic evidence shows he did not cheat though today someone like Lasse Viren would be a certainty.
Funnily enough, in his day it was all legal, just that fewer knew how to safely do it.

Holy Christ - have you read the body of evidence over the years or are you just an unthinking fanboy?

Those of us who believe Armstrong to be guilty don't hate the mega-successful unless they achieved their success by cheating. That's the crux. Bjarne Riis was successful enough to win the TdF by using drugs and proved that a journeyman could become a winner. That's the point, not envy, jealousy or hatred. Cheating is all.

Historic evidence shows that he did cheat but it was explained away, bought off or ignored. Do the research please.

 

[NotthatJasonKenny]

I'm no expert (we always say that right before we give our opinions on something best left to the experts!) on the case or the laws surrounding the case but from what I remember when the case was closed, most of the evidence against him is via witness testimonials and a good lawyer (the like of which a rich man like Armstrong can afford) would be able to rip those testimonials to bits as the vast majority have publicly said bad things about Lance.

If this new tribunal can make a decision without Lance using his lawyers then that's hardly a fair hearing and if it's an open court, here come the lawyers.